Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

[Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org>]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 11:14:52PM CEST, Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> said:
> On 02/09/14 19:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> >Erwan David wrote:
> >
> >>aptitude remove systemd -> downgrade almost everything to stable...
> >>Ok no program present in stable should depend on systemd...
> >>
> >>that's a lot of bugs to open...
> >
> >
> >Erwan, the whole of my Wheezy desktop system as I know it seems to be
> >locked into 'libsystemd-login0' and imposable to remove, somebody
> >correct me if I'm wrong..please!
> 
> The libsystemd-login0 package is required because some major components are
> built with support for systemd functionality, which they obtain by linking
> against the libsystemd-login shared library. Programs which are linked
> against a given shared library require that shared library to be present in
> order to run.
> 
> *Supporting* systemd functionality is, of course, not the same thing as
> *requiring* that functionality to be present.

lauching systemd-logind (which they do) is actually requiring it, no ?

(samething that all those softs which start gconf daemon)

Did someone try to *remove* pam-systemd from their configuration ?
(after all if I do not use the feature, I should be able to configure the system for not using it).