Re: embrace, extend, extinguish

[Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org>]

On 02/09/14 16:14, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Tuesday 02 September 2014 14:52:46 Joe wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:44:49 +1200
>>>
>>> Chris Bannister <cbannister@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 02, 2014 at 07:22:48AM +0000, KD wrote:
>>>>> Dan Ritter <dsr <at> randomstring.org> writes:
>>>>>> Reading:
>>>>>> http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems
>>>>>> .html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> systemd's upstream is explicitly interested in taking over all
>>>>>> Linux distros, not in the minor sense of being supported on
>>>>>> every system but in the major sense of making package management
>>>>>> conform to their own views.
>>>>> There's one sentence in the cited article I really like:
>>>>> "I originally intended to discuss this at the Linux Plumbers
>>>>> Conference (which I assumed was the right forum for this kind of
>>>>> major plumbing level improvement), and at linux.conf.au, but there
>>>>> was no interest in my session submissions there..."
>>>> At least he had the good sense to not even consider discussing it on
>>>> the debian-user mailing list.
>>> So is this vision of the future not likely to affect Debian, then? I
>>> get the impression it is expected to do so.
>> This endless verbosity will not make one iota of difference.  Lobby
>> those who
>> might be able to do something if you feel like it, e.g. the
>> developers.  But
>> it really doesn't count as support for users of Debian.
>>
>>
> 
> Information about things likely to effect users of Debian IS support. 
> It effects planning and decision making about future upgrades and
> deployments.
> 
> I might also point out that this is the "debian-user" list - defined as
> "Help and discussion among users of Debian."  Discussion covers a lot
> more ground than just "support."
> 
> On the other hand, endless commenting about "[I'm not interested in
> this' | 'I don't agree'] so shut up" is not productive in any way,
> shape, manner, or form.  Subject lines, delete keys, and kill files are
> very useful tools.
> 

Then again, endless spreading of FUD on a list that is powerless to do
anything about the situation, could, and should, be regarded as trolling.

We have seen countless threads on the supposed evilness of systemd, all
originated by a few individuals, who seem to be determined to keep the
flame burning. None of these will have made any impact either way. So,
as Lisi correctly suggests, lobby the devs, or even the Debian TC, who
took the decision to support systemd on democratic, and non-emotional
grounds.

I don't know whether that decision was, or was not, the right one, but
I'm certainly not going to be belly-aching after the event.

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