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Re: Replacement for dspam



Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 18:03:20 schrieb Erwan David:
> Le 18/07/2014 14:10, Martin Steigerwald a écrit :
> > Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:55:43 schrieb Erwan David:
> >> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 01:45:55PM CEST, Martin Steigerwald
> > 
> > <Martin@lichtvoll.de> said:
> >>> Hello!
> >>> 
> >>> Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 12:10:44 schrieb Jonathan Dowland:
> >>>> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> >>>>> Ok, I already fail at the first step: call crm114 from Postfix so that
> >>>>> it uses user-specific spam/ham CSS files. My web search suggests
> >>>>> nobody
> >>>>> has ever done that before. I don't use procmail but Dovecot's LDA for
> >>>>> mail sorting which doesn't allow to call external programs. There is
> >>>>> sieve_extprograms but that looks a little weird to me.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I've never tried that, I'd be interested to see it working. I use
> >>>> procmail
> >>>> for local users who have their own CSS files. I did once look at
> >>>> http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/Projects/crm114-spamd which provides a
> >>>> spamd-like interface to crm114, but I didn't go live with it. For
> >>>> SMTP-time
> >>>> rejection you will need CSS files shared across all recipients.
> >>> 
> >>> For a long time I used CRM114 integrated in KMail with a POP3 account
> >>> and
> >>> I
> >>> can say that CRM114 is exceptionally good at detecting spam. To the
> >>> extent
> >>> that spam just has been a non-issue for me. I am not using this at the
> >>> moment cause I had severe mail loss with Akonadi based KMail and CRM114
> >>> filter rules. This may have been fixed meanwhile but I didn´t try again
> >>> and having tried once. So I just weed out spam manually which works okay
> >>> cause policyd-weight catches most of them on the server already.
> >>> 
> >>> I am currently in the process of setting up my Postfix + Dovecot
> >>> installation with IMAP additionally to POP3.
> >>> 
> >>> I already have IMAP working, route all mail to me to POP3 + IMAP account
> >>> (with different users) and got managesieve working so I can edit filter
> >>> rules on IMAP server with newest KMail.
> >>> 
> >>> Next step is to install dovecot-antispam and integrate it with CRM114 on
> >>> the server. Either with a copy of my existing CRM114 installation on the
> >>> laptop or with a new setup.
> >>> 
> >>> I didn´t complete this yet. I think it can work quite well.
> >> 
> >> Did you find the tutorial foir integrating postfix and crm114 ?
> >> 
> >> On crm114 it is mentioned with a link to the "add-ons" page of postfix
> >> doc, whioch in turn has a link to crm114 main page...
> >> 
> >> I could not find whether crm114 is used with lmtp (as I used dspam),
> >> or as a milter, or another way.
> > 
> > Since CRM114 requires learning I´d use dovecot-antispam plugin (debian
> > package is available). It automatically learns from anything one puts
> > into spam folder and sports an unsure folder as well.
> > 
> > But as I didn´t do it yet, I don´t know the details.
> 
> That's the learning part, however there is also the distribution part :
> is the email tagged ? How is the email transmitted by postfix to crm114,
> and how is it transmitted to dovecot LDA ?
> crm114 page does not even address those basic email settings, I did not
> even see a command name on it, or a daemon or any thing...
> 
> What is the storage backend for the learned data ?

crm114 is not just for mail. Its for any kind of textual data that one can 
through regular expressions at.

I suggest reading through docs of dovecot-antispam. I use dovecot lda within 
postfix already for sieve.

I could speculate how its done, but I really suggest just reading up any 
documentation of dovecot-antispam.

I didn´t do it, but from a short contact with the author of the plugin, I got 
the impression that would be all I need (except Dovecot and CRM114 that is).

CRM114 uses two 12 MiB files which it mmap()s for best performance. At least 
thats what my setup uses. I described basic setup for mail in Linux User 
article (in german) and I think this was one of those which got translated 
into english for Linux Magazine. Although it described integrating CRM114 with 
KMail the basic setup of CRM114 should be the same or similar. Both articles 
should be online freely since they are older than a year.

And I think I even based this article on some doc on the mailreaver.crm stuff. 
I think it is described in crm114 package somewhere.

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