Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
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> Subject: Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service
> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 16:08:30 +0200
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> On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 16:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 09:24 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > Pointless and wrong too. The fact that the ads don't make it to your screen
> > > doesn't mean you are not targeted.
> > >
> > > See the point I am trying to make here: our "free" culture has a very high
> > > social price. The fact that you do not pay for google, facebook, twitter,
> > > etc. does not mean they are free.
> > > And tools like the debian project allow us to make decisions to work
> > > against these social inequities. And maybe sometimes it is worth paying
> > > money for some things to get some freedom back. The internet was at it
> > > inception a very decentralized idea. Today it is massively centralized.
> > > Especially breaking the communication part back open is a very important
> > > part for a free and open society. This is also why I do not like gmail,
> > > yahoo, fb so much. But everybody has to make his/her own decisions.
> >
> > I don't like any provider. I didn't follow this thread. Is there a
> > recommendation?
> >
> > Log into your mailman accounts for other mailing lists and you will see
> > your bounce score, perhaps not seriously high, but there likely is one.
> >
> > I receive mails from mailing lists with my Alice account, but if I try
> > to reply using the Alice account I get this:
> >
> > "This message does not comply with required standards."
> >
> > So today I send mails to the Debian list using a Rocketmail (Yahoo)
> > account, while I receive by the Alice account. For Arch general I
> > received messages by Alice too, but since it#s not an open list, I
> > needed to change from Alice to Rocketmail (Yahoo).
> >
> > JFTR all accounts, Alice and Rocketmail caused trouble some days ago,
> > but the Alice account was unsubscribed from Debian.org lists and
> > delivery was disabled for several, not all, mailman lists I'm subscribed
> > too, the issues with Rocketmail (Yahoo) were not that extreme.
>
> PS: Rocketmail wasn't Yahoo all the times. Consider that nowadays some
> "good", independent provider will be owned by Yahoo or Google next year
> too.
OK, now this doesn't work anymore :D. However, not only the providers
are bad, Debian sees mail as spam, that isn't spam.
I suspect the end of mailing lists is near :(. More and more people run
into issues when using mailing lists. The bad, without mailing lists
Linux will die!
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