Re: Jessie Post-Install
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:05:57PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 01 Apr 2014 at 06:57:03 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote:
>
> > In my opinion no - expecting new users to Debian to read an install
> > report is problematic. Using the net-install I wasn't prompted for what I
> > wanted in terms of a Desktop Environment. Xfce4 isn't what most
> > users with modern hardware would want in my opinion - it's a Luddite DE.
>
> Install report? Maybe I wasn't clear: from d-i's main menu it only takes
> a minor bit of exploring for a user to be prompted to install one of the
> three alternative DEs. Surely that makes the argument about GNOME not
> being the default verge on the irrelevant.
Not for novices - maybe I'm not being clear. It is not easy for novices
to figure this out on a strange OS. You expect them to do an expert
install to do this?
> A decision on the eventual default DE is due to be made closer to the
> freeze. I can well imagine an antipathy towards Xfce playing a part in
> any possible discussion.
Well I hope it's not Xfce4 - can't imagine people coming to Debian from
say Windows wanting that choice. Gnome-Shell is becoming quite mature
and it just works.
> > But not having wireless networking enabled is a deal breaker too -
> > especially since it was working during the install process. Not many
> > people using a laptop are going to have wired ethernet either. <shrug>
>
> At the end of my successful install /var/log/installer/syslog has:
>
> Mar 29 14:03:43 cdrom-detect: Unmounting and ejecting '/dev/sdc1'
> Mar 29 14:03:43 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/20final-message
> Mar 29 14:03:43 kernel: [ 3546.317867] sdc: detected capacity change from 515899392 to 0
> Mar 29 14:04:55 kernel: [ 3618.294730] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 5
> Mar 29 14:04:57 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/30hw-detect
> Mar 29 14:04:57 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/50config-target-network
> Mar 29 14:04:57 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/55netcfg-copy-config
> Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: INFO: Starting netcfg v.1.115 (built 20140314-1638)
> Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: No interface given; clearing /etc/network/interfaces
> Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Writing informative header
> Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Success!
> Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Writing loopback interface
> Mar 29 14:04:58 netcfg[3663]: DEBUG: Success!
>
> 55netcfg-copy-config carries out the changes to /e/n/i described in an
> earlier mail. In your case (and mine) it configures the network to use
> network-manager (note "clearing /etc/network/interfaces"). NM is only
> used *after* the install so you appear to have encountered a possible
> bug with it on the installed system. Not that that will make you feel
> any better. :)
As I mentioned not on the net-install, I've had no problem with a full
DVD 1 install, on other boxen.
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