Re: systemd

[Tom H <tomh0665@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Tom H <tomh0665@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Joel Rees <joel.rees@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 7/30/12, Tom H <tomh0665@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf
>>> <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hate pulseaudio, but I could imagine that systemd anyway could have
>>>> some advantages, even if it's from a man (boy) who often takes photos
>>>> from himself in front of a mirror and then publish this snapshots in the
>>>> Internet.
>>>
>>> Is there a relationship between taking your own picture in a mirror
>>> and developing software?
>>
>> I, personally, recognize a certain ironic connection, particularly in
>> relation to Poettering. I'll leave it to the list readers who care, to
>> understand or misunderstand what I mean. (Not sure discussing it
>> belongs here, but I can understand why Ralf might want to bring it
>> up.)
>>
>> I don't know what brings Tom H here, but I am becoming more active
>> here precisely because of systemd. Well, that, and SELinux. Too many
>> changes too fast, too many of them shifting from stable techniques
>> known to work in *nix environments to experimental implementations of
>> techniques that are known to be primary underlying factors of many of
>> the technical issues in the monoculture/world-domination OS.
>>
>> I don't, for example, dare try Fedora as an alternative to the ancient
>> Mac OS X on the ancient but still viable iBook that my sister uses to
>> keep in touch with the family. I have absolutely no confidence that I
>> would be able to do the remote administration she needs done every now
>> and then.
>>
>> (Fedora 13 or 14 would still have worked, fwiw.)
>>
>> There are both technical and political issues here that go way beyond
>> the scope of this thread in debian-user, beyond a simple word to the
>> wise:
>>
>> Be very, very careful with systemd.
>
> I have absolutely no idea why I'm subscribed and post to d-u! ;)
>
> If you have genuine technical reasons for being wary of systemd, fine!
> If you have an emotional negative reaction to Lennart Poettering, then
> your "carefulness" is silly. The reiserfs developer's a convicted
> murderer, that didn't make reiserfs technically inferior overnight.
> (Please note that I've never used reiserfs, so I don't care either
> way.)

There a genuine reasons for sysvinit to be improved or replaced, as
explained by "one of the sysvinit package maintainers in Debian":

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/02/msg01043.html