Which gnome version is now in cid? If the version is 3.0 or later I need to do some customization like removing gnome-shell since that and orca don't get along. Jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's got God on his side." ~ Bill Hicks