Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, "please test grub2")
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Stan Hoeppner <stan@hardwarefreak.com> wrote:
> Tom H put forth on 5/31/2010 1:04 AM:
>
>> I have gone through various big changes in OSs, WinNT to Win2k, OS9 to
>> OSX (although I was a Sol-Lin admin too so it wasn't as great a shock
>> as for Mac-only admins [1. see OT anecdote below]), Sol8 to Sol10 and
>> they created more dislocation than a bootloader change. At the risk of
>> sounding like a late-night infomercial (!), a smooth transition from
>> lilo to grub2 is just a question of being positive (the un-unwanted
>> and un-unneeded of above) - and putting in some work (the learning
>> curve of above) of course.
>
> From a seasoned sysadmin perspective, a "vendor" forced change away from
> something as critical as a bootloader, causes immediate push back. In LILO's
> current state, and given the way I run kernels, I could likely used LILO 22.8
> for the next 10 years without a problem, without any code changes. So it
> doesn't matter to me if it's currently maintained or not.
>
> The reason grub2 is being forced upon us all is the need of the "desktop"
> users who want a 20MB kitchen sink kernel and initrd that will support any
> piece of hardware on any machine they throw at it. Many sysadmins don't want
> or need that, and we're being forced to change our bootloader due to the
> perceived needs of others.
>
> LILO isn't broken and it works well enough for may folks such as myself. We
> should have the option of keeping it, as an installable package, until _we_
> feel we need to change to something else. It's as much a philosophical issue
> as it is a practical one. There is no legitimate reason LILO can't be left in
> the distro as an optional package, just as it is now with Lenny.
>
> It's difficult to be "positive" when unnecessary change is being forced down
> one's throat.
Don't you think that lilo will be left in the repos but not available
at install time? You could then install lilo post-OS-install or
through pre-seeding.
> Thanks for the tips below. I'll be hanging onto them until/if they're needed.
>> grub2 basics-->
You're welcome.
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