Now I have Etch with kernels 2.4.27 and 2.6.15 available. With 2.4.27, drivers sb and usb/audio will not install with modconf. The 3c509 nic works. With 2.6.15, the 3c509 does not work. lsmod reports it but modprobe -v 3c509 reports nothing. I am interested to solve both cases. Any ideas? Thanks, ... Peter E. Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/