Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian
begin Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> dedi ki:
> rschroev_nospam_ml@fastmail.fm wrote:
>
>>Is there a consensus about that? I mean, I've seen many people say that
>>the newsgroup gateway is unidirectional (from mailinglist to gateway),
>>and my own experience confirms that.
> This is not a matter of opinions: the linux.debian.* mail2news gateway
> *IS* bidirectional, full stop.
>
>>But in another post here, Marco d'Itri (who is the administrator of
>>linux.* and runs bofh.it according to Pascal Hakim) says
>>
>>"If one reads a debian mailing list in a linux.debian.* group and
>>wants to reply to the list he is supposed to followup to the newsgroup
>>and NOT to directly reply to the list."
> Yes. Mail replies will break threading.
> The gateway is open to everyone with a valid email address, which is
> something you would expect from users posting to a mailing list.
> If somebody thinks that munging their address when posting to usenet
> will keep it secret forever... well, they will quickly have to face
> reality anyway.
> The newsgroups are configured as moderated because this makes gating
> easier and more robust, but posts are not manually moderated and are
> either posted to the list and newsgroup after a few minutes or rejected
> for technical reasons.
>
>>"Fortunatly, linux.* *IS* a bidirectional gateway, unless your news
>>server is misconfigured.".
>>
>>I'm confused. Is the gateway bidirectional and is almost everyone's news
>>server misconfigured? Is everyone doing something wrong? Or is it just me?
> The number of users succesfully using with success the linux.* gateway
> suggests that if there is a problem it exists only on a small number of
> servers. (Actually I monitor my news server for unapproved articles, and
> they are *very* uncommon nowadays.)
It's my first post here, and I'm having hard time trying to underderstand
why linux.debian.* is being run as mailing list in the first place. I have
no problems with moderation and revealing my mail address (it's my spam
collector anyway). But SMTP is for mail, NNTP is for threaded discussions.
I had once subscribed to several lists, and seeing how awfully inefficient
it is for such things, I had summarily stopped all my list subscriptions,
and I will not subscribe to a single list anymore, no matter what, as a
principle.
Using mail as a vehicle for threaded discussion, seems to me only good for
a tightly knit closed group. I can't understand why a public,
usenet-mirrored group should be implemented as a mail list. For added
gatewaying complexities? To download all the message bodies that I
wouldn't read? To always feel that paranoia that my message might not be
gatewayed to mail subscribers? To provide some with an oportunity to fork?
(I suspect it will turn into a trolling place). Why not simply a moderated
plain and straight, simple usenet NG?
P.S: It's my second trial. At first trial I used a fake mail address but
correct "Reply-To". It bounced from moderation robot, and I don't know
whether it's because Reply-To is not accepted, or because my registration
was so new that it was not yet in effect. Is "Reply-To" accepted?
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