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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian



Nate Duehr wrote:

On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:

This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds buildings and they all use Autocad. Their SysAdmin has set up a RH server, but all workstations are win. There simply is no choice in the matter, not yet.


I could have sworn VariCAD had a native Linux port? Not sure. Yep, see below.

I don't think Mr. Keeling's comments were directed at specialized software users such as the users of AutoCAD. It is a rather simple process to install AutoCAD on machines that *NEVER* have public network access to keep their other Microsoft applications from being attacked by small applications teenagers write in their spare time.

His comments were directed at Microsoft's products, not AutoCAD.

I would think that if a large percentage of AutoCAD's users and purchasers (i.e. your corporation's leadership) simply stated in writing to AutoCAD that their goals were to stop running Windows platform machines in the near future, AutoCAD would have more fire under them to port the software to another OS. Especially if they stated that they're looking at alternatives right now.

As I understand from news group postings and such, CAD venders are thinking about linux. Two years ago, AutoCAD said noway, now they say maybe. Anyway, that's their problem not mine. My point was some industries need to run windoze for a lack of a quality product they can use. You can not draw, designe, fabricate, estimate stress, build in safty features AND swap files with others in the field with the same rate of confidance in the product as you get from AutoCAD. Or at least so I am told, I do not use it at all. I have looked up CAD for linux, and it (much better now then two years ago, when I looked) is lacking compared with M$. My SysAdmin friend who works for the building company probably has it pretty well locked down. RH print/file/SAMBA/mail server to CAD workstations. At least if they get viruses, the server is still running :)


A quick Google turned up these:
www.linuxcad.com
www.varicad.com
www.cadsoft.de -- This is their Eagle PCB board layout software, not full CAD capability, but it's VERY highly regarded as one of the best board layout packages available today. Very configurable -- I use it.
http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
http://www.ac3d.org/
http://www.cycas.de/
http://www.welcomehome.org/senecass/software/dome46.tar.gz

There are *always* alternatives. Understanding that you may have a lot invested (a rediculous amount, really -- if you're paying their usual rates) in AutoCAD makes realizing why you stick with it more understandable.

However, my point here is that Mr. Keeling is frustrated with the extreme lack of attention to software security in everything Microsoft builds. This is changing, as their clients demand better -- and hopefully someday the companies that are experiencing massive outages due to virii/worms will figure out that having to add software to all of their systems to protect against bad software design at the lowest level... i.e. the computer's operating system... is a rediculous added expense they can neither justify nor should they have to. They really should be able to *DEMAND* decent quality secure software and get it at this point in the computing timeline.

Nate Duehr, nate@natetech.com




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Damon L. Chesser
dchesser@bigfoot.com



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