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Re: Knoppix is Not Debian



Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:28:03PM +0100, David Baron wrote:

Once you do the HD installation, you have their, allbeit mixed, distro based on Debian and KDE.


Ok, now... we've got a stupid who couldn't figure out how to read well
enough to run the Debian installer.  You thus propose to him that he
install a completely non-standard Knoppix, which he does.


You then upgrade and play with it the way you would with any purer Debian
installation.


And *now* you propose that the same stupid move to unstable, which is the
only possible sane upgrade target from the mess that is Knoppix.  Just
great... he didn't have enough clue to understand *stable*, and now you
propose to shunt him directly to *unstable*.  Please.


What Knoppix gives you is decent hardware detection and auto-setup.
Debian will itself be doing this.


Yes, unfortunately even Debian will be pandering to the stupids who can't
be bothered to read well enough to know what was on the invoice they just
signed.

And NO, before you whine... there's no reason why the stupids should have
to know that.  There's no reason why he should be installing operating
systems, either, any more than he should be building cars.  Or performing
brain surgery.  Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some things that Joe
Stupid has no business doing.

Sorry... the answer to Barbie's statement "But that's so hard!" is not to
dumb it down so that Barbie can continue not to think, but rather to
understand that there are some things Barbie just shouldn't be doing
without appropriate training.

while that's true IMO the OS should be as self-sufficient as possible. It should be able to figure out what HW is installed and offer it for users to use.

at this point user has to know too much about internals of OS (and the rest of the software installed) - e.g. if I weren't developer I have no idea how would I be able to setup my computer. not talking about install only but about setting of all subsystems (imap, X windows with 3D support, sound etc.)

it's not about dumbing iot down but about making it reasonably user friendly. which it is not, yet.

	erik



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