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Re: [OT] voting

On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:12:09 -0700, s. keeling wrote:

> Incoming from Paul Morgan:
>> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:10:35 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
>> > Paul Morgan writes:
>> >> Having said that, when I see a watch, it convinces me of the existence of
>> >> the watchmaker
>> > 
>> > And when you view the watchmaker as a watch do you see an infinite
>> > regression of watchmakers?
>> 1.  I don't view the watchmaker "as a watch".
>> 2.  The watchmaker is extrauniversal by definition, and anything
>> extrauniversal is unknowable.  Cause and effect may be a local phenomenon.
> Anything extrauniversal can have no effect on that universe.  Variable
> is out of scope.  That much is knowable.
> Hence, existence or not of proposed watchmaker is irrelevant to
> anything inside that universe.  See "Brief History of Time" - Hawking.

You, too are incorrect (IMO, of course).  And again perfectly entitled to
your beliefs. I have arrived at mine through decades of reading (including
Hawking) and thinking, and I am disinclined to argue.  I have no desire to
convince anyone of anything.

As I said in my original post, it is simply a personal view, hoping
thereby to avoid attack or argument.


"Don't be so humble.  You're not that great."
(Golda Meir)

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