remember the old adage: if it breaks when you change something, it's whatever you changed!! i swapped the memory upgrade out and problem is gone. happily running X4.2.1 when will he ever learn??? dave -- Dave Mallery, K5EN (debian testing & woody) PO Box 520 .~. _ Ramah, NM 87321 /V\ -o) no gates... /( )\ /\\ running Debian GNU/Linux no windows! ^^^^^ _\_v free at last!