Re: IRC

[Ron Sinclair <ron@wigglit.com>]

On Sunday 17 November 2002 14:49, Justin A wrote:
> So basically #debian didn't cater to your file sharing philosophy,
> and wasn't able to read your mind.
>
> I'm terribly sorry, guess we should have tried harder.
>
> CC replies :-)

Sorry...you are definitely wrong on that account.

But, if you guys screen who you help by theif file-sharing philosophy, 
that's a bit overboard.

But since you want to analyze a logfile, let's do it.  I'll use your 
own log, in fact:

Nov 03 10:58:53 *       W|GGL|T is back (gone 05:50:17)
Nov 03 11:34:49 <W|GGL|T>       anyone know offhand what disk of the 7 
cd set 
the 2.4.18 kernel source would be on?
Nov 03 11:35:14 <hop>   W|GGL|T: #1, i'd suspect
Nov 03 12:24:32 <W|GGL|T>       quick question about sources.list:  i 
need to 
put "deb  http://penguinppc.org/~daenzer/debian/dri-trunk/       ./" 
in my 
sources.list but when i run apt-get, it ignores the site...this have 
to do 
with the ./ at the end of that line?
Nov 03 12:26:46 <W|GGL|T>       i have a question about the 
sources.list
Nov 03 12:27:24 <W|GGL|T>       aww...fuck it...i'll subscribe and ask 
the 
debian mailing list
Nov 03 12:27:40 <Mave>  W|GGL|T: man sources.list
Nov 03 12:27:43 <nkuttler>      ~tell W|GGL|T about ask
Nov 03 12:28:11 <W|GGL|T>       uh...ive ALREADY asked
Nov 03 12:28:20 <nkuttler>      W|GGL|T: ah, see it now. do you get an 
error?
Nov 03 15:20:44 <--     W|GGL|T has quit (brunner.freenode.net 
irc.freenode.net)
___

First of all, grepping for 'W|GGL|T' doesn't tell the whole 
story...all that results in is context that includes my nick, not the 
conversation itself...MY logs look a bit different.  Most of the 
music I have, I've purchased...I'd say 98%, not that its REALLY your 
business.  Do you base who's worthy of #debian help by how much warez 
they have?  That last bit, above, I was asking for help and someone 
decided to be a smartass. 

Also, the someones (mkuttler and Mave) who decided to be smartasses 
had nothing to do with the file-sharing conversation, so that's 
irrelevant.  The question I'd asked wasn't covered in the man pages.  
The point was that I'd asked a question, a question that was 
legitimate per 'ask', and all that question got me was 'man 
sources.list' or "Nov 03 12:27:43 <nkuttler>      ~tell W|GGL|T about 
ask".  Then when I explained that I'd already asked the question, 
nkuttler acknowledged it but by then I was a bit pissed (and rightly 
so).

I'm no Linux newbie but I've not much experience with apt-get or its 
sources.list file.  man only explains so much.  Google will only 
search for things that have been discussed in the past...if it has 
never been covered before, Google's not going to show it.  I felt I'd 
done my homework before asking the question in #debian.  I'd 
suggested not going to #debian...not because of the flack I got with 
my belief in file-sharing, but because of the way #debian regulars 
talk to nonregulars.

Justin, do you always give people hard times because they don't share 
your life's philosophies?  You've a long way to go in life if you 
decide no one deserves your time if they don't live your lifestyle.  
You felt so strongly about file-sharing that you started getting a 
bit lewd, then when I post my feelings about #debian, you pull up 
some logs and select what you want for pasting instead of posting ALL 
the facts.

I stand by what I said about OPN's #debian.  While there may be some 
nice helpful people in the channel, they don't speak up...all I saw 
were the righteous.  So, you can either heed the advice and go there 
anyways (you MAY actually get the help you seek) but I'm betting 
you'll not stay there long...its definitely not a friendly 
atmosphere.  

-- 
Ron aka W|GGL|T
http://www.wigglit.com