RE: Enough time wasted, moving on
I feel bad that you've had such a hard time with Woody. I tried it too
about 8 months ago with the similar results. X didn't work (that was ok,
since it was a server not a gui desktop), php4 didn't work, php3 wasn't
available, etc... I got everything working, did an apt-get update, upgraded
the newer packages (10-15 packages per day were updated then) and 10% of my
operations broke again.
I've scores of Debian boxes that are used for revenue generating ventures.
Downtime is not an option for me nor for who I answer to. I thought it was
basically understood in the IT world (whatever os or software you use) that
you would never *ever* use something called "testing" for production use.
Even though I have heard 1000's of Debian woody users say its great and
stable, 1000s is a small part of the Debian community, including coders,
packagers & users.
I realize that I myself am just a "user". I have felt like I am a greedy
person for that, since I have never contributed just installed and "used".
However, if there is a package that I like on stable and I would like to
see it on Woody, then I would start using Woody and dealing with the
'tinkering'. If it is that important to me, then I will have to use testing
and start packaging myself. This social agreement institutes barting the OS
for coding/packaging and I must say it (Debian) works pretty good. I am
getting proficient with dpkg, but I have not picked out a package that I
care enough about yet to jump to testing.
Being just a "user" </shame>, I hear that the Woody freeze is happening. I
think that this means no more packages are going to be added and also by
certain timelines packages that are already in there will be booted off the
release if not relatively bug-free and/or not following Debian policy.
Jason Harris
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Putnam [mailto:reader@newsguy.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:38 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Enough time wasted, moving on
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
Found the install routines to be unusable.
All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't' And this on a
machine that has had 2 flavors of linux, 2 of the BSDs and Solaris
(intel) install successfully. Hardware recognized etc.
My nic is not found, X doesn't run, I get a message after the install
that there were errors during install. Please fix the errors
mentioned above... none are mentioned. I've tried the simplicity of
Tasksel and the labor instensive dselect hell, 3 fullbore tries at
installing.
I have a non-functional system at the end of 2 days.
When I see things so basic like the names referred to when the
different cds are requested during package install. The names the
routine asks for are nowhere on my CDs. Not that hard to see what is
really meant but only because I'm already familiar with some of the
lingo.
Maybe I got hoodwinked getting them from `The sphere'
When I see things like that gauranteed to cause confusion, I know that
at the Debian organization someone is asleep at the switch. And can
rest assured that I will be in for lots of unnecessary grief caused by
`loose' organization and homeboy packaging.
One has to think, what else is poorly done here.
But then again for someone who enjoys major unnecessary tinkering.
Relentless `fixes' and the like, Here is a chance to get a setup that
will keep you busy for a long time, and absolutely free. I'll pay the
postage too.
Maybe I should have tried the released version, but something about
the name `potato' puts one in mind of a large overweight weak
vegetable lying on a couch.
At least `woody' sounded...... well .... erect :-)
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