Re: PINE Debian Package
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Colin Telmer wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Joey Hess wrote:
>
> > Colin Telmer wrote:
> > > I have been using pine for years (no nfs spool) and have never ever
> > > experienceed corruption and mail loss due to pine.
> >
> > FWIW, I used pine for years, and experienced frequent data loss. (I use mutt
> > now.)
>
> Maybe I have too but just haven't noticed:) Seriously, how does this
> manifest itself? Cheers, Colin.
>
I used pine for a long while and had no problems. The configuration was
pcpine (from Washington) on W3.1 with Netmanage Newt for TCP, and Debian
1.x as clients, and the server was/is (uname -a) SunOS tyne 5.4
Generic_101945-50 sun4m sparc which used to run the IMAP2bis or whatever
it was called.
Then they changed the imapd server to IMAP4rev1 and that's when the
trouble started. There are two symptoms and I don't know if they're related
but I think they must be. The first is that the client sees emails with
"bogus date 0 jan 1970 in headers" or some such message. The second is
that IMAP pseudo-headers have overwritten the start of the real emails.
I've here reduced the number of paragraphs from eight to two to save space,
and put in x's:
--8<--
xFrom MAILER-DAEMON Mon Mar 30 12:40:46 1998
xDate: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:40:46 +0100 (BST)
xFrom: Mail System Internal Data <MAILER-DAEMON@tyne>
xSubject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA
xX-IMAP: 0890661741 0000000825
xStatus: RO
x
xThis text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not
xa real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software.
xIf deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created
xwith the data reset to initial values.
x
xStatus: O \
xX-Status: |
xX-Keywords:
xX-UID: 0
x | these should
x | not be here
xStatus: O
xX-Status:
xX-Keywords: |
xX-UID: 0 /
x
xe.LNX.3.96.980323093641.11446E-100000@kepler.midco.net>; from
xfinn@midco.net on Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 09:38:53AM -0600
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xResent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
xX-Mailing-List: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> archive/latest/882
xX-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org
xPrecedence: list
xResent-Sender: debian-user-request@lists.debian.org
xStatus: RO
xX-Status:
xX-Keywords:
xX-UID: 64
x
xOn Mon, Mar 23, 1998 at 09:38:53AM -0600, finn@midco.net wrote:
x> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, Bill Leach wrote:
x>
--8<--
My rationalisation of this behaviour is that I was reading this file as
incoming mail, and as I deleted each message in pine, imapd was inserting
these four-line paragraphs to indicate the fact. Meanwhile, sendmail
would deliver some new mail which involves updating the fifth line of the
file (I think it's the number of unseen messages). If a pointer was left
there, my subsequent deletions could write paragraphs to the wrong place.
Alternatively, all this is the product of an overactive imagination...
I started using procmail to deliver my mail to multiple inboxes, and could
watch procmail report its file-locking activities:
procmail: [9792] Thu Apr 9 13:07:30 1998
procmail: Match on "^X-Mailing-List:.*@lists.debian.org>"
procmail: Locking "Debian.lock"
procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=Debian"
procmail: Opening "Debian"
procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock
procmail: Unlocking "Debian.lock"
>From debian-user-request@lists.debian.org Thu Apr 9 13:07:30 1998
Subject: Re: hanging on boot; NFS problem in 2.0
Folder: Debian 2714
procmail: Notified comsat: "dww2@0:/export/home/dww2/Inbox/Debian"
but this didn't avoid corruption occurring.
I like pine enough to make some compromises which include:
. only running pine on the sun (tyne) which means 3.91, not 3.96
. delivering my email folders from the files procmail writes to
the files pine reads, using a perl script that dotlocks and checks
that I'm not running pine or imapd when it runs
. losing pine notification, but I get this back through the procmail
log file.
Actually it does have some advantages - it makes it very easy and safe
to zip and ftp my entire incoming mail to my home machine and read it
offline with debian's pine.
Cheers,
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