Thanks for the links guys, but unfortunately they quickly brought me to a very large download. Here in England there's no free local calls, and I'm paying for my own, so when I see a 40 meg dnld, I quickly get the hell out of there. That's annoying, because you can't get it on CD can you? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org