Bug#780681: tengwar (tengwarscript) doesn't work

[Norbert Preining <preining@logic.at>]

retitle 780681 please package tengwar fonts
severity 780681 wishlist
tag 780681 + wontfix
thanks

Hi everyone,

first of all, Klaus, don't be picky and "venomous" yourself.

> Yes, the map file is present, but not included in the map file, which is read my
> pdftex during run time. They are located below /var/lib and are
> updated/recreated by the steps I told you.

Because the fonts are not shipped. Thus, the map file should *NOT*
be activated.

No bug, perfectly correct.

> > So the fonts are not correctly installed as I state in the bug report.
> > 
> Correct.

Incorrect.

For usage with latex you only need vf/tfm, no actual fonts are needed.

Only when you want to convert to pdf from dvi or directly the fonts
are needed.

THere is no guarantee that all fonts are shipped, this is as
*SUPPORT* package.

> >> http://at.mansbjorkman.net/parmaite.htm . About the reason not to include it
> >> I can only guess, but the copyright notice, is rather a cry for "do not
> >> include me!" [1].
> > 
> > Well, for me that license looks free and compatible with debian.
> > 
> I'd leave to decision about this to other people.

Simple answer: Nobody has done it ... Nobody has repackaged them
and uploaded to CTAN, that is all ... instead of moaning go forth, contact
the authors, and upload to CTAN with their agreement.

Nothing hinders you. After that the fonts will be also in TL.

> > However, there is only two solutions for that.
> > 1. Include the full fonts and register the map properly (Not only the
> >    .tfm and .vf files that are already included)
> > 2. Or do not deliver any part of that fonts and state in README.Debian
> >    that and why that fonts are not available.

Wrong again. tex is *NOT* about getting a pdf. TeX is producing dvi.
There are convenience options to go directly to pdf, but this is not
necessary.

You could even tell pdftex to treat the fonts as *not*to*be*embedded.

So, whatever you think:
* this is *at*most* a wishlist bug: please package Tengwar fonts
* it is a upupstream bug, that means, we as Debian have nothing to do with
  it, nor does TeX Live it self have anything to do with it.
  As long as the fonts are not uplaoded to CTAN, they will not end up
  in TeX Live.
  But the package can still be used ...

> You're right that installing some piece of software only partially is not a good
> idea. We'll discuss the legal part, else we'll completely remove the tengwar
> stuff from Debian.

Hilmar, no need to be so cautious. You were right from the beginning.

Norbert

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