Re: Four people decided the fate of debian with systemd. Bad faith likely
On Sunday, March 02, 2014 09:20:44 AM Joel Rees wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:43 AM, <yaro@marupa.net> wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 02, 2014 12:00:41 AM Volker Birk wrote:
> >> On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 02:17:05PM -0800, Leslie S Satenstein wrote:
> >> > I am a casual Debian user and a person who has 50 years in IT. My
> >> > first comment is that the direction that other Linux distributions are
> >> > taking is not the system V direction. I am not a Linux Internals
> >> > person, but there are many who are. The consensus is that systemd is
> >> > better and the right approach for now and the future. I realize that
> >> > the author of this email to which I am responding is upset. But, what
> >> > should be done? Do a fork of Debian and that fork remains with Sys V?
> >>
> >> There will be a split in Debian community for this decision for sure.
> >> The split goes through Linux community in total.
> >
> > Doesn't make the decision to drop SysV Init, a system even its own
> > maintainer says is a pile of garbage, in favor of systemd, any less
> > technically sound.
> flame away, flame away
>
Call it a flame all you want, but it's still deprecated and it's not for no
reason Linux distributors are trying to get as far away from SysV as possible.
And no, that reason isn't "Red Hat is trying to take over." Try actually
researching the actual technical reasons systemd exists for once. They are
almost innumerable.
> >> I for myself will switch to DragonFly BSD if possible. The problem is,
> >> that Linux today has the drivers. And because the political program of
> >> the systemd guys to conquer the whole Linux world is successful,
> >> everyone will be dependent on their APIs there in near future.
> >
> > Oh please, grow up.
>
> You grow up. Technically inferior stuff always seems to get the money,
> but you get to live in the results of your choices.
Oh, how will I ever live with a faster boot, more reliable process control,
unit files that are easier to write and maintain than initscripts, socket-
activated daemons, concurrently-launched dependency-based service startup, the
fact that I use Archlinux and it actually went FROM a BSD-style init TO
systemd, a logger I can actually efficiently navigate with metadata, and a more
unified device and configuration infrastructure?
Life is so horrible for me thanks to how easy systemd makes maintaining my
system. I have seen the light!
Conrad
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