Re: RFD: Separate mailing list for users running testing?
FYI, debian-testing is NOT for developers.
This list was created for the testing group started during the release of
1.3. Most of the members at that time were Debian users, and not
developers. The whole point was to get users involved in testing.
Developers said they were already testing on their own.
The testing group has hit some hard times in the last few years, and has
not been as active as possible for various reasons.
If you want to make a push for more users to get involved in the effort, I
support that very strongly. If you want to coopt this list for some other
noise reduction issues, please look elsewhere.
Luck,
On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Chris Halls wrote:
> [moving to debian-project]
>
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:24:37PM -0700, tluxt wrote:
> > --- Chris Halls <chris.halls@nikocity.de> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:28:22PM -0700, tluxt wrote:
> > > > --- tluxt <tluxt@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I think it would be an excellent idea to have a debian-user-woody list.
> > > >
> > > > The debian-testing is for developers. But I suspect there are many people
> > > > I think it would be an excellent idea to have a debian-user-woody list.
> > > >
> > > > The debian-testing is for developers. But I suspect there are many
> > > > people
> > > > (myself included) who are just trying to _use_ woody, and are _not_
> > > > developers.
> > > > Such a list would help debian by:
> > > > 1. Providing a forum for woody _users_ to discuss issues.
> > > > perhaps enabling testing debugging to proceed faster since
> > > > woody users will have a concise reference place for their concerns
> > > > and not have to waste lots of time digging through other places
> > > > (such as debian-user, perhaps)
> > > > where woody issues are not the primary topic.
> > > > 2. Keeping debian-testing from having user traffic,
> > > > thus letting it focus on development issues.
> > > >
> > > > I believe this list would be a big time saver for debian-woody users and
> > > > help boost the efficiency of the debian project overall.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't debian-testing-user be better, so there isn't any confusion once
> > > woody becomes stable?
> >
> > I think that is quite good also.
> >
> > My only reservation with using the word "testing" is that it has
> > so many other possible meanings/interpretations other than:
> > "the Debian distribution known as 'testing'".
> >
> > Perhaps merely the description attached to such a list on
> > http://lists.debian.org/users.html
> > would be sufficient to clear up any such potential misconceptions.
>
> It may be worth thinking about whether this is a possible way to reduce
> the traffic on debian-user a little. I for one was a bit confused when I
> first installed debian stable, and quite a lot of the discussion on
> debian-user was not about stable at all, but about people running testing
> or unstable, without mentioning that explicitly.
>
> Maybe if there were separate user lists it would make things easier to
> follow. The stable users could carry on at debian-user, and
> testing/unstable discussion would happen somewhere else. It would be
> easier for developers to monitor the user experience in testing, rather
> than having to filter through all of debian-user, which can be time
> consuming, and it is not always obvious anyway.
>
> The same goes for documentation. It should be a bit easier to spot where
> the documentation for testing needs improving by monitoring the new list.
>
> So,
>
> 1. Should we create such as list?
>
> 2. What could we call such a list? Possible suggestions:
>
> debian-user-testing (ie a debian-user list for those running testing)
> debian-testing-user (ie debian-testing for users instead of developers)
> debian-user-woody (it would get out of date to soon..)
>
> My favourite is debian-user-testing, because debian-testing is so low traffic
> that it does not need to be 'split'. And I think it's a bit more obvious for
> the actual users themselves.
>
> Chris
>
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