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Package: debian-policy
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Recently, a bug report was aimed at the tvtime package -- and we seem to
have uncovered a section in which Debian Policy is not entirely clear.

Bug report #213512 suggested that we should Suggest libdscaler, which is
in contrib, in tvtime, which is in main.  However, Section 2.2.1 of the
Debian Policy is unclear on this point. I quote:

[packages in main] must not require a package outside of main for compila=
tion
or execution (thus, the package must not declare a "Depends", "Recommends=
",
or "Build-Depends" relationship on a non-main package)

The literal interpretation of this that it is permissible, but I think it
could be clarified further. It is currently plausible to interpret the
enumeration of dependency fields in Section 2.2.1 as merely a clarifying
example (i.e. "including, but not limited to"), rather than a complete li=
st.

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To: Per von Zweigbergk <pvz@linux.se>
Cc: 214059-done@bugs.debian.org, 214059@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#214059: debian-policy: Section 2.2.1 unclear on whether
 Suggesting non-main packages is OK
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From: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org>
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:30:15 +0200, Per von Zweigbergk <pvz@linux.se> said: 

> Package: debian-policy Version: 3.6.1.0 Severity: normal

> Recently, a bug report was aimed at the tvtime package -- and we
> seem to have uncovered a section in which Debian Policy is not
> entirely clear.

> Bug report #213512 suggested that we should Suggest libdscaler,
> which is in contrib, in tvtime, which is in main.  However, Section
> 2.2.1 of the Debian Policy is unclear on this point. I quote:

> [packages in main] must not require a package outside of main for
> compilation or execution (thus, the package must not declare a
> "Depends", "Recommends", or "Build-Depends" relationship on a
> non-main package)

	So, it explicitly tells you what is not allowed.

> The literal interpretation of this that it is permissible, but I

	That is correct.

> think it could be clarified further. It is currently plausible to
> interpret the enumeration of dependency fields in Section 2.2.1 as
> merely a clarifying example (i.e. "including, but not limited to"),
> rather than a complete list.

	You can never get policy to the point where it is not
 confusing to absolutely anyone. In this specific case, policy
 explicitly tells you what is disallowed; in general, anything that is
 not prohibited by policy is allowed, and anything not explicitly
 required by policy is up to the discretion of the developer.

	In general, policy is not exhaustive; it only mentions things
 required, or prohibited. Changing this stance would require a major
 rewrite, and a far larger policy document, and further constrain
 developers needlessly.

	manoj

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