Re: free license for ffp-phylogeny Fwd: Debian project request
Hi again,
sorry for bothering you again, but the licensing issue for ffp is not
solved and despite I tried to contact Gregory Sims several times he
never responded via e-mail. The only statement he gave is just looking
promising but its not sufficient. His answer was:
From: Gregory Sims <gsims1997@yahoo.com>
Date: July 13, 2018 at 2:22:40 PM PDT
To: Sebastian Ainslie <sainslie@lbl.gov>, "andreas@an3as.eu" <andreas@an3as.eu>
Subject: Re: FW: FW: Debian project request
Andreas,
Then it is fine with me if you include the FFP code into a Debian package.
Send me whatever release you need.
Gregory E. Sims, PhD
240-328-3327
In our COVID-19 effort we try to review all interesting software for
licensing issues and that's why I want to come back to you - possibly
you might have a better channel to Gregory than e-mail since my repeated
mails asking for clarification did not seem to reach him.
Why are the statements Gregory gave are not sufficient?
"Then it is fine with me if you include the FFP code into a Debian package."
It does not specify the conditions, like the right to modify the source
code which is important to be considered free. It is simply in contrast
to the file COPYING inside the source tarball.
"Send me whatever release you need."
I can not even parse this sentence. We usually need the latest version
which is available from sourceforge. We can simply download it.
So what would be an optimal solution:
Please replace the file COPYING inside the file ffp-3.19.tar.gz which
can be downloaded from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ffp-phylogeny/files/
by something containing one of the well established licenses like BSD,
MIT or GPL and release this with a new version for instance
ffp-3.19free.tar.gz
If this is to much effort (may be you lost sourceforge access after many
years of inactivity there?) it would be OK to send a mail to this public
list debian-med@lists.debian.org stating:
I'm the author and copyright holder of
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ffp-phylogeny/files/
I hereby release this software under ... (License of your choice)
which overrides the COPYRIGHT file that can be found inside the
source tarball.
Thanks a lot for supporting us in our attempt fo fight COVID-19 by
providing relevant software to researchers
Andreas.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 09:36:27AM -0700, Sebastian Ainslie wrote:
> Andreas. Please work with Gregory Simms on this. Our investigation through
> Berkeley Lab and UC Berkeley Tech Transfer offices had neither of us at UC
> owning the IP. It is all Gregory's and what he says goes. I believe he said
> it was ok but please look back through his correspondence.
>
> Best
>
> Sebastian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Tille [mailto:andreas@an3as.eu]
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 4:51 AM
> To: Suzanne Storar <ststorar@lbl.gov>; Gregory Sims <gsims1997@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Berkeley Lab Intellectual Property Office <ipo@lbl.gov>; Peter Bluford
> <pbluford@lbl.gov>; Sebastian Ainslie <sainslie@lbl.gov>; Debian Med Project
> List <debian-med@lists.debian.org>
> Subject: Re: free license for ffp-phylogeny Fwd: Debian project request
>
> Hi again,
>
> I hope I did not missed another mail of yours.
>
> May be my answer was not clear enough. According to the Debian Free
> Software Guidelines
>
> https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
>
> specifically item 8. "License Must Not Be Specific to Debian" it does not
> help if we send something to you and you give permission. It is you who
> needs to put the source code under a free license for everybody.
> For the Debian release the latest version (if not all versions) would be
> sufficient.
>
> Hope this clarifies my request
>
> Andreas.
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 09:28:12PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > Hi Suzanne, hi Gregory,
> >
> > thanks for forwarding this mail. I actially missed it - and can not
> > find it in my mail folder archive.
> >
> > To answer Gregory's question: We usually package the latest version -
> > in this case as far as I can see on sourceforge[1] version 3.19. It
> > would help a lot if you could issue a "new version" (may be 3.19.1 or
> > so) where you replace the COPYING file by the text of a free license.
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> >
> > Andreas.
> >
> > [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffp-phylogeny/files/
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 10:22:03AM -0700, Suzanne Storar wrote:
> > > Hi Andreas,
> > >
> > > Regarding your inquiry, I had understood that Gregory Sims responded
> > > (see forwarded email below).
> > >
> > > Please let me know if anything else is required to meet your request.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Suzanne
> > >
> > > Suzanne T. Storar, P.E.
> > > 510-486-4306
> > > Communications and Outreach
> > > Intellectual Property Office (IPO) - Lawrence Berkeley National
> > > Laboratory
> > > - Berkeley, CA
> > > Available Technologies: http://ipo.lbl.gov/tech-index/ *Follow us on
> > > Twitter: @techLBNL*
> > >
> > > *From:* Gregory Sims <gsims1997@yahoo.com>
> > > *Date:* July 13, 2018 at 2:22:40 PM PDT
> > > *To:* Sebastian Ainslie <sainslie@lbl.gov>, "andreas@an3as.eu" <
> > > andreas@an3as.eu>
> > > *Subject:* *Re: FW: FW: Debian project request*
> > >
> > > Andreas,
> > >
> > > Then it is fine with me if you include the FFP code into a Debian
> package.
> > > Send me whatever release you need.
> > >
> > > Gregory E. Sims, PhD
> > > 240-328-3327
> > >
> > >
> > > >>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Andreas Tille
> > > >>>> <andreas@an3as.eu
> > > <mailto:andreas@an3as.eu> > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Dear ladies and gentlemen,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I was told by the copyright holder of ffp-phylogeny Gregory E.
> > > >>>> Sims that I should address my question to the Lawrence Berkeley
> > > >>>> National Lab which I'm hereby doing.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I'm writing you on behalf of the Debian Med team that has the
> > > >>>> objective to package Free Software that is relevant in Biology
> > > >>>> and Medicine for main Debian. There is an overview what we
> > > >>>> have assembled
> > > up to now[1].
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> One of my users asked me to package the programm ffp-phylogeny[1].
> > > >>>> The creation of package files went smoothly thanks to your well
> > > >>>> designed build system. The needed files are injected into our
> > > >>>> packaging repository[3].
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Unfortunately the license of ffp-phylogeny does not permit
> > > >>>> distribution by Debian since it is in contrast with item 5. and 6.
> > > >>>> with the Debian Free Software Guidelines[4] since commercial
> > > >>>> users / usage are discriminated by your license statement. I
> > > >>>> wonder whether you might consider to change this license to one
> > > >>>> of the common free licenses for instance GPL or BSD.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks for considering
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Andreas.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [1] http://blends.debian.org/med/tasks/bio
> > > >>>> [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffp-phylogeny/
> > > >>>> [3] https://anonscm.debian.org/git/debian-med/ffp.git
> > > >>>> [4] https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
> > > >>>>
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