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Re: Bug#200411: www.debian.org: confusing description of non-US sections



On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 09:59:34PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 02:24:25PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > The "packages" page at <http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages>
> > currently says:
> > 
> > =====
> > Non-US/Main and Non-US/Non-Free
> >     These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are mostly
> > encryption software packages, or software that is encumbered by patent
> > issues. Most of them are free, but some are non-free.
> > =====
> > 
> > The point about encryption software is out of date since we can get any
> > crypto software exported from the USA these days.  The last sentence is
> > needlessly vague.
> 
> The thread
> 
>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2002/debian-legal-200207/msg00029.html
> 
> documents the exact rationale for these sections.  The following
> patch incorporates its conclusions into the packages page.
> 
> I'd appreciate it if the readers of debian-legal would
> double-check it.

What I saw in that thread was Wichert saying that things in non-US
needed to be there because of patents, and Steve Langasek saying that
that those things needed to be in non-US/non-free. That's not what I see
below.

> -    <dt><em>Non-US/Main</em> and <em>Non-US/Non-Free</em></dt>
> -      <dd>These packages cannot be exported from the USA, they are mostly
> -      encryption software packages, or software that is encumbered by
> -      patent issues. Most of them are free, but some are non-free.</dd>
> +    <dt><em>Non-US/Main</em></em></dt>
> +      <dd>Packages in this area are free themselves but cannot be
> +      stored on a server in the USA because they are encumbered by
> +      patent issues.</dd>

Things in main or non-US/main should not be patent encumbered.
non-US/main is designed so that packages can be imported into the US,
but not exported. If it would not fit the DFSG for any reason, including
being patent-encumbered in the US or other places, then it does not
belong in non-US/main.

> +    <dt><em>Non-US/Non-Free</em></dt>
> +      <dd>Packages in this area do not necessarily cost money, but
> +      have some onerous license condition restricting use or
> +      redistribution of the software.  They cannot be exported from
> +      the USA because they are encryption software packages or they
> +      cannot be stored on a server in the USA because are encumbered
> +      by patent issues.</dd>

Things that belong in non-US, but are patent-encumbered or otherwise
fail to meet the DFSG for any reason belong in non-US/non-free. This
includes things that would be eligible for the crypto-in-main transition
were they free, but in fact are not. For example, IDEA code belongs
here.

One final nitpick: please properly capitalize "non-US", "non-free", and
"main".

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