Re: Qt upgrade
Aurélien COUDERC - 23.05.24, 11:50:08 CEST:
> Le 23 mai 2024 10:09:29 GMT+02:00, Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org>
> a écrit :
> >On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 09:44:10AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >> The new apt 2.9 and later makes it really obvious, so maybe warnings
> >> like this are no longer needed?
> >
> >It was always obvious *shrug*
>
> Must depend on your kind of eyes :-), I do find the new feedback of
> packages to be removed *much* more obvious.
Well, if you looked for it and I always recommend people I trained with
Linux to look out for it, then sure it was obvious. But before with a long
output it was needed to scroll up. And given feedback here on the list and
elsewhere I came to the conclusion that not everyone did. It was not that
we had been there on this list: It has been a while, but I still remember
the "I messed up my system, please help!" kind of o posts.
I did not count how often I said to participants of my Linux courses: Read
that error message. Read it aloud if need be! And it was always nice to
watch the conclusion appear in their face as they recognized: yes, the
error message told exactly what was going on and they just did not read it
or not *all* of it. Granted: Not all of the time it does. There are bad
cryptic error messages, still.
Now with new apt it is really in the face even for those who skipped
scrolling up, probably even despite better recommendations.
> And BTW it's in apt version 2.9.3 onwards if I remember correctly. Older
> versions didn't have that.
Thanks for the correction.
I also appreciate the faster initialization of apt. It is still not quite
as fast as the apk package manager in Alpine Linux and derivatives and it
may never be, but it at least initializes quite a bit faster than before
and I have the impression even installation of packages might be a bit
faster than before, but I am not sure on the latter. Difficult to say from
subjective impression.
Really well done by apt developers. Kudos to them!
Best,
--
Martin
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