On Mittwoch, 1. Juni 2016 19:56:36 CEST Andrej Kacian wrote: > Hello, Hello Andrej, > while I'm glad that development continues on KDE5, and am looking > forward to future usable environment, so far KDE5 has been a > disappointment for me on several fronts, and in several waves, after > each big 5.x upgrade. Every new major release brings in new bugs, new > instabilities, new crashes, and doesn't seem to fix almost any of the > previous ones. It is also slower than KDE4 was, even with significantly > beefier hardware. > > Now, I do not have time to report all these bugs and work with > the developers to fix them, even though that would be the > correct thing to do. Therefore I'd like to know - is there a reasonable > way to get KDE4 on Debian Stretch, or do I need to switch to Jessie for > that? Unless someone forward ports it or you do this yourself or compile it yourself: No. Additionally KDE SC 4 is *unsupported* by upstream. Also Qt4 is *unsupported* by upstream. Only with very critical security issues you *may* still get a security update. As for stretch I don´t know the plans of the Debian/Ubuntu Qt/KDE team regarding keeping Qt4 around, but I think I heard the team would prefer to replace any Qt4 based app by Qt5 version and get rid of Qt4 rather sooner than later. Trinity, a KDE 3 fork, is still developed and somewhat maintained, but only by a few people, so I think their security and fixing things coverage will not be as good as with Plasma and KDE Frameworks 5. Also I am not sure whether they finally managed to port it to Qt4. They may be using Qt3 still and this is totally unsupported by upstream. If you like to use KDE4 then I suggest you stay with Jessie for the time being. You can stay with it and ask around in some months or when Jessie is partly frozen, how people here like the current state. As for some apps like Firefox/Iceweasel, Chromium and stuff you can get recent versions for Jessie too. That said, with the last updates, especially those Maxy uploaded in the last two weeks I like it more and more and more. Upstream has done excellent work. Plasma 5.6 and KF 5.22 for me is definately better than the previous versions in Debian. Its maturing. It took a long, long time for that, but it is maturing. I observe upstream developers being quite active in handling bug reports, more so than in a long time. Also recent Akonadi/KDEPIM 16.04 is a solid improvement on anything that has been there with Akonadi based KDEPIM before. The performance just got soooo much better. Its not perfect yet, but definately much more usable than before. Of course that is all just my subjective impressions and your mileage may vary. I hope that Qt 5.6.1 also will fix more things than it breaks. Then maybe one of the last things I am quite annoyed with, that is multiscreen handling will work robustly, but I think it already got better with kscreen 5.22. Thanks, -- Martin
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