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Re: plasma desktop broken again :(



On Friday 30 October 2015 00:09:31 Gary Dale wrote:
> On 29/10/15 04:54 PM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:54:22 -0400
> > Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Gary,
> > 
> >> And not wanting to rehash that old argument, the current system is
> >> clearly not working. Surely all the bright people maintaining Debian
> > 
> > Debian is run by humans.  Humans, being humans, make mistakes.  It's
> > been admitted that libqt5x11extras5 v5.5.1 getting into testing was not
> > ideal.  Also, reference to this being a corner case.  IOW, a situation
> > that was difficult, if not impossible, to foresee.
> > 
> >> can come up with something better?
> > 
> > It works the way *they* want it, mistakes notwithstanding.  If you don't
> > like that method of migration, then maybe Debian testing isn't for you.
> > Breakage happens in testing.  By and large, not frequently, but it does
> > happen.  Also, it's not usually such a major issue.  To paraphrase a
> > well known English saying;  "Stuff happens".
> 
> Yes, but it's been happening a LOT this time around. I've been running
> Debian Testing for over a decade and don't recall seeing this many major
> fails ever.
> 
> If my memory serves me, KDE4 didn't make it into Testing until it was
> reasonably complete and stable - somewhere after 4.2 wasn't it? Until
> then Testing still had KDE3. Why the push to get KDE5 out when it is
> still having massive teething problems?

Because we (unstable and/or testing users) want it ASAP :-)

Breakages happen all the way, but you should be able to apply workarounds to 
recover - in this case downgrading libqt5x11extras5.
If you don't want  (or can't) do that, unstable (and maybe testing) is not a 
good choice for you.

The 'brute force' method would be to use btrfs + snapshots before each upgrade 
(e.g. done by a little script that automatically removes old shapshots). 

That is the burden to unstable users - but it also is kind of fun.

Regards,
	Tim


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