Re: Trinity
On Thursday 12 July 2012 23:22:04 Bruce Sass wrote:
> On July 12, 2012 02:10:33 PM Modestas Vainius wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Thursday 12 July 2012 13:55:17 Bruce Sass wrote:
> > > > 1) Trinity is not in Debian.
> > >
> > > True, but it has been packaged for Stable and Oldstable based systems
> > > which makes it more likely to eventually appear in Debian than some
> > > random piece of source out there.
> >
> > FIY, nobody stepped up to take over maintainance of Qt 3 in Debian. So
> > you can basically forget about KDE 3.5 at this point.
> >
> > > > 2) Trinity is not and has never been KDE despite its origins
> > >
> > > Despite its orgins as a continuation of the KDE-3.5 codebase, eh. ;)
> >
> > Everything about KDE 3.5 is long dead. No matter how good or bad it was,
> > its base system (Qt 3) is not supported anymore.
>
> Trinity uses the KDE3.5 code and maintain Qt3 themselves, so it is not long
> dead nor unsupported.
Oh yes a handful of people are able to maintain 2 large projects with tons of
code. Sure...
>
> > > > So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for "KDE is crap,
> > > > Trinity rulez".
> > >
> > > Nowhere is a good place for: "KDE is crap, Trinity rulez"!
> > >
> > > However, given Trinity's origins (as KDE-3.5) and goals (be installed
> > > alongside and work with KDE-4 and apps), debian-kde is the best place
> > > within Debian for someone looking at introducing it into the archive to
> > > bring it up--
> >
> > We had this "discussion" before. It ended up in trolling and left a bad
> > taste for everyone involved.
>
> That is unfortunate. :(
>
> > > this is where the DD/DM expertise wrt KDE-3.5 and 4 resides, and this
> > > is the place with the most potential for finding interested users.
> >
> > If anyone wanted to bring trinity to Debian, (s)he would have already
> > done it. But every maintainer understands that it is impossible to
> > provide good packages for outdated and basically abondoned software.
>
> It may be outdated from the perspective of KDE, but if people are working
> on it and maintaining its core then it is not abandoned.
>
> > All you do is encourage people to install random packages of bad quality.
> > Eventually users will face problems and/or break systems, many have
> > already broke.
>
> "random packages of bad quality"... we must be talking about two different
> things... I am only considering Trinity--KDE-3.5, bits of KDE-4, and the
> toolkit it is built upon--not arbitrary packages which depend on Qt3.
>
> - Bruce
Martin Gräßlin recently wrote a nice blog entry about Trinity and its
problems:
http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/having-a-look-at-the-oldnew-
desktop-environments/
-- Peter
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