Re: State of Konqueror - Was: Konqueror: webkit instead of khtml
Valerio Passini wrote:
So you
should consider that you are lucky to find it in KDE4 and to have a
browser able to get 85% score on acid 3 tests (more than firefox)
How many times a day do you visit the Acid 3 test? It's got little to do
with everyday's life. (While I really *do* appreciate Konqueror's
leadership here! And BTW I just got 87% with Konqueror 4.2.2)
Putting a program out in the public is not putting a program out for
your particular purposes,
A web browser is for rendering web pages. If it is not properly capable
of this key requirement it is of little use.
I mean, not for John Smith or Felix Homann or
Valerio Passini in a specific way.
What do you use your browser for???
It's there to be used and developed,
if you want you can use it and contribute to it.
I used to use Konqueror for web browsing purposes and contributed
reporting bugs. The current Konqueror is more a development version in
my eyes. Not a bad one for a development version but not usable as an
every day browser. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you pick a statement in KDE website just
to show: you are not where you promised to be (BTW to me it seems a very
general statement);
Let me give another quote from http://konqueror.kde.org:
"Konqueror is an Open Source web browser with HTML 4.01 compliance,
supporting Java applets, JavaScript, CSS 1, CSS 2.1, as well as Netscape
plugins (for example, Flash or RealVideo plugins)."
From my experience, this is, well, some kind of euphemism: I could only
get very few Java applets working, Konqueror chokes regularly on
Javascript, Flash support has always been unreliable, and without
regularly killing nspluginviewer processes Konqueror has (had?) a
tendency to remarkably slow down your system.
> Is it a free Desktop Environment task to provide an
> Internet browser, an office suite, many multimedia players, developing
> tools? Mmm, no I don't think so.
I don't think so either.
Let's consider Koffice: it is an
alternative to OpenOffice,
Well, actually I don't think so. Even my simple .odt files usually look
strange when I open them with KOffice.
Or should
it be abandoned since it has a bunch of users in comparison with
OpenOffice?
IMHO it has less users because it is less mature and usable. Should it
be abandoned? No, if it's fun for the developers they should go on!
Maybe they find a killer feature some day, making me switch from
OpenOffice.org to KOffice.
This kind of feedback is not prohibited, it will be simply missed by
those whom you are claiming to be guilty.
Guilty of what??? What do I claim????
Kmail never stopped to work for me, am I more than the average user?
Most probably, your rather a little less ;-) The effect grows with the
size of your mailboxes. KMail didn't stop working for me, either. *I*
stopped working with KMail, because I couldn't fluently write emails
anymore. While KMail was filtering my Emails the GUI would freeze. The
larger your mailbox the longer the freezes would stay. When you have
some thousands of emails in your mailboxes the effect gets so large that
KMail (3.x) is actually not usable anymore. It has been coined KDE's
"most hated bug" since it was reported first in April 2002 and was still
there in at least the first KDE 4 releases when KMail didn't use
Akonadi. See http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41514.
if you switch software as soon a problem spawns, you are going to bounce
here and there in free software unless you do use a very stable and old
release.
Wrong assumptions make for wrong conclusions: I don't switch software as
soon as a problem spawns. On the contrary. I switch when the problems
become the dominant "features" of the software. I'm very reluctant to
drop an application in favor of another. That's why I haven't switched
back to KMail again (although I really liked so many parts of it much
better than Icedove!).
I understand your frustration in seeing that developers (and many
distributions)
don't agree with you in marking KDE4.2.2 as an alpha stage software.
I'm not frustrated about that at all.
Try it again when it will be around 4.3.something.
I'm using KDE 4 versions since some early RC versions. Why should I go back.
This is not a report, it's an email of complaints
Nope, I'm not complaining. I'm not even saying "Please, make Konqueror a
better browser" nothing like that.
on the wrong mailing list.
Now, *this* is true! No more mails from me on this topic, promised.
Kind regards,
Felix
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