Re: [KDE 4.1 backports] yakuake missing
Hi Ana,
first of all sorry for the "he"... Meanwhile I realized my mistake and
apologize for that masculine behaviour of assuming that most of computer
specialists are men... And thanks for your kde-debian-work.
Am Donnerstag 04 September 2008 schrieben Sie:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:39:32AM -0400, Ben E. Hard wrote:
> > Modestas Vainius wrote:
> >
> > I know that it is only an additional feature and that Ana doesn't want to
> > provide the "best possible KDE 4.1 desktop experience" in Lenny. But why
> > shouldn't he or somebody else provide a good experience with some more
> > KDE4 programs for Lenny?
>
> Modax provided you a very good argument about this....
> If you *really* want the best KDE 4.X desktop experience, you should use
> now the experimental packages, help reporting (*) and fixing bugs on those
> packages.
So if I want to report bugs, I should rather use experimental packages (or
keep them, as they haven't yet been replaced by the backport ones) than the
backport ones? I'm not able to fix any bugs, as I'm not a developer, but I do
report bugs. Would it then be the best idea, to switch completely to sid even
before it becomes testing?
> (*) no packaging bugs should go to bugs.kde.org if you want to be helpful
That is one thing, I never really understood: how do I know if a bug is a
packaging bug or one which should be reported upstream? (of course there are
evident ones like missing libaries, but what, if the application crashes for
example?)
>
> >
> > Why not? Why that fundamentalism? Don't you want to leave it to Ana which
> > packages he includes?
>
> Modax and me have talked a bit about the backports (remember we both belong
> to the kde team), so he knows a bit what i'm planning and what not.
>
> >
> > Why do you think it is without support? Of course there is no official
> > support of debian, but Ana kindly responds to that mailinglist.
>
> It is without support in the sense we are not providing security updates or
> fixes for very important issues as you get in unstable ot stable (and even
> in testing).
>
> >
> > Of course, but I have the feeling that these backports are meant to help
> > testing users to use KDE4 right now before Lenny is released. The
> > backports won't include anything after KDE 4.1.x (so are the plans
> > according to kde4.debian.net), as the backports will be useless once
> > official KDE4-packages appear in testing.
>
> I disagree with this. Main purpose of backports is allow users to know what
> is going on in KDE 4.1 without breaking their *Stable* systems, and if they
> like it, then they might consider switching to testing/unstable when 4.2.x
> comes. Actually, users wanting a *seriously* stable system will still stick
> with 3.5 for a while, that let's remember is still maintained by upstream
> and in Debian.
Ok, that makes it all different -- if KDE 4.1 in the backports is more meant to
help people to try it out on a stable system, there is no need to package much
more for them then the official modules. That makes my question above about
which packages I should use if moving completely to KDE 4 obsolete, I think,
as the answer would be to take the experimental ones.
Ben
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