Re: NEVER USE SORBS
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 03:00:23PM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 07:38:14PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > > aside from DULs making it difficult to send mail directly with any
> > > reliability, it is actually impossible to reliably receive mail via smtp
>
> On 27.07.06 22:10, CaT wrote:
> > I think you're confusing dynamic IPs with your desire to deny people
> > behind them the ability to send mail out of servers running behind them.
> > There is nothing about a dynamic IP that makes outgoing mail unreliable,
> > the peculiar attitude of some people aside.
>
> There is ont thing that makes spam detection of mail coming from dynamic IP
> address less reliable. Static address can be listed in any BL list, and
This seems to contradict your statement below (that being 'All of them
are just and only lists, evidences of dynamically assigned addresses.
They do not indicate mail received from them is spam'). If that statement
is true (and, IMO, it is) then an IP being dynamic does not hinder in
the detection of spam.
> independantly on use of that list (for scoring or filtering), this can not
> be done with dynamic IP addresses.
Fatal flaw with blacklists. In the end you wind up shooting the innocent.
> So, because of this reason, many admins decided to refuse e-mail from remote
> dial-up addresses, using SORBS DUHL, NJABL DYNABLOCK, MAP DUL or whatever.
I... well lets just say I find it difficult to abide by the use of
nuclear weapons.
> All of them are just and only lists, evidences of dynamically assigned
They are neither just nor unjust. They are lists. The use they are put
to and the care with which they are maintained can be just or unjust.
IMO the use they are put to is unjust as they are utilised to punish
those who have done no wrong.
> addresses. They do not indicate mail received from them is spam.
Correct.
> However people use to block mail from them and it gives them very high
> success rate in spam hunting.
As someone who receives well over 1000 pieces of spam a day I find the
above does not make their use in the manner spacified as just.
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