I have built a tarball on a sarge system. I can now confirm that the problem was not with hurd but with the etch system. Now to solve the 'normal' problems with building the tarball. Phil. -- Philip Charles; 39a Paterson Street, Abbotsford, Dunedin, New Zealand +64 3 488 2818 Fax +64 3 488 2875 Mobile 027 663 4453 philipc@copyleft.co.nz - personal. info@copyleft.co.nz - business I sell GNU/Linux & GNU/Hurd CDs & DVDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz