I have just been checking the exclusion list. kde is not on it. Is kde garbage as far as the Hurd is concerned? Phil - Philip Charles; 39a Paterson St., Dunedin, New Zealand; +64 3 4882818 Mobile 025 267 9420. I sell GNU/Linux CDs. See http://www.copyleft.co.nz philipc@copyleft.co.nz - prefered. philipc@debian.org