[Freedombox-discuss] Diaspora
Definitely, Melvin. Let us know. Sadly, super heroes don't exist IRL.
We're only human and can only build amazing stuff by sharing knowledge and
working together. So if you have any ideas on how we could improve our
efforts, we'd be happy to hear them. Heck, if you want to help us out,
either on the tech or human front or both, let us know:
http://diasporafoundation.org/get_involved
Thanks again,
Yosem
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Melvin Carvalho
<melvincarvalho at gmail.com>wrote:
> On 16 October 2011 12:49, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
> >> So your goal is to raise $1m and "reinvent" something similar to the
> >> WWW, but more social. However do you realize that the WWW was
> >>
> >> designed to be social from day 1?
> >
> > If by "your goal" you mean "my personal goal," then yes. I can't speak
> for
> > the whole community, but that is my own personal goal. There's a lot of
> > interesting stuff we could build with that sum of money.
> > The goal is NOT to create something more social than the WWW because I
> know
> > sociability was the goal of the WWW. The goal is to open up walled
> gardens
> > that attempt to fragment the open web. The problem is that in many cases
> in
> > practice that sociability has become circumscribed to machine-to-machine
> --
> > NOT person-to-person -- interactions, which has been an unfortunate
> > development in the open web's evolution.
> >
> >>
> >> Facebook interoperates with this cloud, does diaspora? The impression I
> >> have to date is that
> >> diaspora 'pods' primarily link to other diaspora pods, rather than
> >> heterogeneous systems, is that correct?
> >
> > Any existing social networking site or website could connect with
> Diaspora*
> > today. Our first app Cubbi.es is an independent web app that resides in
> its
> > own native environment on the WWW and connects with Diaspora* as well.
> No
> > need for developers to work on Diaspora*-specific apps, as they'd have to
> do
> > with, say for example, Facebook.
> > At Diaspora*, we believe in standing on the shoulders of giants, meaning
> > that we never reinvent the wheel. We integrate existing standards and
> > technologies whenever possible. It just makes sense to do so, as it cuts
> on
> > development time.
> >
> >>
> >> I'm not the greatest
> >>
> >> fan of Facebook, but people point fingers at them, but they have made
> >> an effort to interoperate.
> >
> > It's well documented that, when developers have tried to get Facebook
> user
> > personal data out of Facebook, Facebook has often made it difficult to do
> > so, if not outright prevented them from doing so. For Facebook,
> > interconnectivity is asymmetric. They are OK with your bringing data
> from
> > anywhere on the web into Facebook, but they are not so keen on your
> taking
> > it out. If you take too much out, they arbitrarily put a stop to it.
> And
> > they have done so even in cases when Facebook users themselves have
> wanted
> > to take their own data out of Facebook.
>
> Yosem, thanks for the response. I'm not 100% sure you fielded my
> queries, but I've taken the opportunity to review the 'Federation
> Protocol' on your wiki. I feel perhaps not as much is being done
> terms of interop, at this time, as it could be. If I get a chance
> I'll post some feedback to your mailing list, tho I know you're
> already members of the Federation Community Group, which is a good
> start.
>
> Wish you the best of luck with your goals, keep up the great work
> spreading the message that the social web, needs to be secure,
> decentral and free!
>
> >
> >>
> >> > Best,
> >> > Yosem
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Melvin Carvalho
> >> > <melvincarvalho at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 16 October 2011 02:28, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi All,
> >> >> > My name is Yosem, and I'm a member of this list, though I generally
> >> >> > don't
> >> >> > say much. I'm a PhD student at Stanford but also work running the
> >> >> > Diaspora*
> >> >> > Foundation.
> >> >> > If you'd like invites, please let me know, and I'll be happy to
> send
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > one. If you have any questions, please let me know too. Happy to
> >> >> > answer
> >> >> > them. We're very transparent, non-commercial, and community-run.
> >> >> > You
> >> >> > won't
> >> >> > get any BS from us.
> >> >> > Since a lot of people still have questions about Diaspora*, we took
> a
> >> >> > moment
> >> >> > to address some of the things we have been hearing lately. We hope
> >> >> > you'll
> >> >> > take a
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > look:
> http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/2011/10/15/diaspora-not-vaporware-not-a-nigerian-prince.html
> >> >> > Anyway, I'm at your disposal. Ask away.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for pointing this out, that was an interesting read.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I've understood your financial statement correctly, you're looking
> >> >> to raise another $100, to keep going for the next year?
> >> >>
> >> >> My question is, does diaspora have plans to interoperate with other
> >> >> (non diaspora) FOSS social system, on the Web? If so, which ones?
> >> >>
> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> > Yosem
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Weaver <weaver at riseup.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:41:14 +0200
> >> >> >> Brandon Invergo <b.invergo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > No sooner did I write that defense of Diaspora than I read this
> >> >> >> > article:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> http://allthingsd.com/20111013/at-lunch-with-diaspora-the-non-profit-open-source-social-network-built-by-outsiders/
> >> >> >> > In which they float the idea of charging people for running a
> pod.
> >> >> >> > At
> >> >> >> > the same time, a friend on Facebook who has been waiting for an
> >> >> >> > invite to joindiaspora.com was talking about how he felt that
> they
> >> >> >> > were soliciting invites in exchange for donations. I'm assuming
> he
> >> >> >> > just got the same email as everyone else asking for donations
> but
> >> >> >> > since they also sent it to the people waiting for invitations,
> it
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > difficult not to make that assumption.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <snip>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> That's definitely happening.
> >> >> >> I'm still waiting for an 'invitation' and got the email asking for
> >> >> >> $25
> >> >> >> with the assurance that everybody donating wouldn't have to wait
> any
> >> >> >> longer.
> >> >> >> Young blokes beginning to see the uptake of a new project and
> eyeing
> >> >> >> Zuckerburg potentials is how I see it.
> >> >> >> If it carries on I might be declining the 'invitation' before I
> >> >> >> receive
> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Weaver.
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> "In a world without walls and fences,
> >> >> >> what need have we for Windows or Gates?"
> >> >> >> -Anon.
> >> >> >>
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