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Re: Bug#207932: Consequences of moving Emacs Manuals to non-free

Quoting "Davide G. M. Salvetti" <salve-evlas@debian.org>:

> Hi,
> I would like to support the request of Sven Joachim: I think that
> emacs21 and emacs-snapshot should depend on or recommend the newly added
> "non-free" doc package.  Therefore, consistently, emacs21 and
> emacs-snapshot should go into the contrib section.

emacs-snapshot may not follow the same path as emacsXY since it is
not in my hands.

> >>>>>  JM == Jérôme Marant [2006-3-14]
> JM> Newbies usually don't use Emacs. Experienced users are smart enough
> JM> to add non-free to their source.list APT file, and grab docs from there.
> JM> Were are talking about the info documentation.
> I do not share your statement about newbies not using Emacs.  However,
> based on your above considerations, what exactly would be the problem
> for newbies and/or experienced users with emacs21 and emacs-snapshot
> being moved into contrib?

Because Emacs is technically able to work without its info manual,
so there is no reason for a strong dependency on its documentation.

> JM> I think that docs are going to be moved to an emacs-docs package and
> JM> emacs21 will suggest it. I don't think it should go to contrib.
> It's your call, of course, but I think a suggestion really is not
> adequate to the case at hand, as Sven already argued

It's not really my call. Rob is still the primary maintainer, althouth
we work together on it. He has not commented on this yet.

> JM> I guess some patches will have to be added to handle such cases,
> JM> yes.
> Last, but not least, I think that spending time on patching Emacs to
> remove dependencies from the docs its a complete waste of time.  The
> Debian Project does not require the Emacs package maintainer to do it:
> moving GNU Emacs into contrib will allow depending on the docs and will
> avoid this (useless, in my eyes) time consuming need.  However, of
> course, it's the choice of the package maintainer, not mine.  As an
> emacsen add-on package maintainer, I can say that I will have no problem
> moving auctex and mailcrypt to contrib as a consequence of Emacs moving
> there.

Moving Emacs to contrib does not change anything to the fact that
documentation need to be removed from its main tarball and moved
to non-free.

Remember: contrib is for _free_ works that depend on non-free

Unless you move Emacs to non-free in its entirety, some amount
of work will have to be done.

> JM> I'm sorry you don't like this. I'm not really fond of it either, but
> JM> I have the choice of either do what the Project decided or resign
> JM> from the Project. I've chosen the former.
> Your choice is fully compatible with Emacs moving into contrib.  Think
> of it.
> Anyway, many thanks for your job! .-)
> --
> Thanks, Davide
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Jérôme Marant

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