Re: [wiild-development] Re: Debian packaging of OpenBoard

[Andrea Colangelo <warp10@debian.org>]

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Claudio Valerio
<claudio.valerio@oe-f.org> wrote:
> Sorry for the spam but I have found something that could interest you.
> OpenBoard doesn't link with the openssl library.
> Therefore you can drop openssl from OpenBoard-ThirdParty.

Yeah, good to know, and thank you for the info you provided in the
other mail too.

I'll try to build a source package ASAP. I'll keep you posted, and
please feel free to mail me for everything you think I might be
interested in.

Have a great day,
Andrea.



> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Claudio Valerio <claudio.valerio@oe-f.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrea,
>>
>> Sorry for the late answer.
>>
>> About OpenBoard-Importer
>> The importer is a stand alone program used to import into the OpenBoard
>> structure the Open-Sankoré files without removing them.
>> I have added the three files COPYRIGHT LICENSE and README.
>>
>> About the fonts
>> xpdf needs those fonts. I've added the good COPYRIGHT on the SEM branch
>> (will be soon merged into develop one).
>>
>> About the ThirdParty
>> - the repository microsoft is for Windows OS only and you can drop it
>> without problem
>> - unsanity is for mac only and should be dropped soon for mac too
>> - for quazip and openssl I know we have some issues
>>   I need a little more time to investigate those points and find the good
>> solution. I'll keep you informed but if you have suggestion please let me
>> know.
>>
>> Nice one,
>> Claudio
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Andrea Colangelo <warp10@debian.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Claudio Valerio
>>> <claudio.valerio@oe-f.org> wrote:
>>> > thank you for the fast and deep check of our repositories. I've added
>>> > the
>>> > header to the file contained on the OpenBoard-Importer repository. In
>>> > this
>>> > repository I've not copied the COPYRIGHT LICENSE and README files. If
>>> > necessary I'll add them just tell me.
>>>
>>> What's the purpose of that code? Is it needed to upgrade sankore files
>>> to openboard? In any case, those 3 files are always a fine addition
>>> (especially the one containing the license text, its presence is
>>> mandatory to allow Debian to distribute the software)
>>>
>>> > For the images your assumption is correct and if there is something to
>>> > do to
>>> > clarify this point please tell me. For the fonts I've a doubt as well
>>> > as I'm
>>> > not sure that those font are still used on OpenBoard. I'll check this
>>> > point
>>> > asap.
>>>
>>> This email should be quite enough already, but adding that piece of
>>> information somewhere (the images directory itself, or the root of the
>>> source tree) would be perfect.
>>>
>>> WRT fonts: if they are not used anymore, maybe you want to completely
>>> drop them all. Otherwise, ensure to add copyright/license information
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> > OpenBoard-ThirdParty is a repository that is "necessary" to retrieve if
>>> > you
>>> > want to build OpenBoard. I need some time to make a little rework on
>>> > it. It
>>> > manly contains the source code of xpdf, freetype, quazip, (openssl for
>>> > Windows only), a library used on Mac Os X as well as some free licensed
>>> > code
>>> > from Qt (BSD licensed) . Luca told me that one of the two library have
>>> > a
>>> > completely free substitute but I've completely missed this out.
>>>
>>> I gave a deep review to it too, here are the issues I found (speaking
>>> with my Debian Developer hat on):
>>> - microsoft/: I found some binary blobs there, but I guess they are
>>> not needed for Linux, so I can drop them, no prob.
>>> - openssl/: two problems here: openSSL and GPL don't mix well, and we
>>> don't like to embed libraries like that (mostly for security reasons).
>>> Anyway, since openssl is in archive already, building openboard with
>>> that (completely dropping openssl/) should be easily doable
>>> - quazip/: a couple of files there have no license, but quazip is
>>> packaged in archive, we supposedly can use that in this case too.
>>> - refnum/, trolltech/: green light here
>>> - unsanity/: ape/APELite.h is completely non-free, ape/APELite.o is a
>>> binay blob for Mach-O. MacOS only, I suppose, hence we can discard it
>>> all and live happy.
>>> - freetype/, xpdf/, zlib/; all of them are free, but already in
>>> archive. We might choose to use the versions in archive to build
>>> openboard, but it's just a technical decision. Green lights in any
>>> case.
>>>
>>> > For the last point, the tarball version, I should admit that is now a
>>> > couple
>>> > of year that I build only deb package (all done by hand and may be not
>>> > completely debian compliant). I not even sure to remember exactly what
>>> > I've
>>> > to put on the tarball.
>>>
>>> This is not a problem, we can create a proper tarball from the git
>>> repositories.
>>>
>>> > The next release, namely OpenBoard 1.02.00 will be release next week.
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>> > I'll work on my spare time for the compliance with DFSG principles so
>>> > don't
>>> > be angry if the process will take some time.
>>>
>>> Not angry at all, rather very pleased by your attention to those legal
>>> details, take your time. While you work on that, I'll take care of
>>> building a good debian source package with the other people interested
>>> in packaging this software (BTW: is the debian/ you use to build .debs
>>> available somewhere? Having it available might ease our work).
>>>
>>> Thanks, and best regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Andrea Colangelo <warp10@debian.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> 2014-02-12 15:19 GMT+01:00 Claudio Valerio <claudio.valerio@oe-f.org>:
>>> >> > mi permetto di risponderti in italiano. È un po' di tempo che non ho
>>> >> > più
>>> >> > la
>>> >> > possibilità di farlo allora ne approfitto!
>>> >>
>>> >> Heh, I can imagine! :) Unfortunately, though, Debian-Edu is an
>>> >> english-only mailing list. Hope you don't mind If I keep writing in
>>> >> English, so that everybody can follow the conversation along (and I'll
>>> >> translate the relevant parts of your email as I answer here). I
>>> >> suppose we can switch to our native language in the private emails we
>>> >> will share while working on OpenBoard.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Più seriamente. Siamo già in contatto con un dev Debian nella
>>> >> > persona di
>>> >> > Luca Capello. L'abbiamo contattato un po' di tempo fa' per avere
>>> >> > un'idea
>>> >> > sulla strada da prendere. Purtroppo abbiamo messo la relazione in
>>> >> > pausa
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > causa del contratto che ci legava allo stato francese. Quest'ultimo
>>> >> > (come
>>> >> > alcune persone dello staff interno) non condividono, ancora,
>>> >> > l'importanza
>>> >> > che personalmente porto alla messa in regola del codice.
>>> >>
>>> >> [Claudio says that he pinged Luca Capello during the development of
>>> >> sankore, but this liaison is in pause. Further, he says that the
>>> >> sankore contractor (which is the French Government) didn't care that
>>> >> much WRT legal parts of releasing code]
>>> >>
>>> >> > Da qualche settimana ci siano infine liberati del contratto con la
>>> >> > Francia
>>> >> > ed ufficializzato il fork (http://oe-f.org). Il codice sorgente del
>>> >> > progetto
>>> >> > lo puoi trovare su (github
>>> >> > git@github.com:OpenEducationFoundation/OpenBoard.git,
>>> >> > git@github.com:OpenEducationFoundation/OpenBoard-ThirdParty.git,
>>> >> > git@github.com:OpenEducationFoundation/OpenBoard-Importer.git).
>>> >> > L'accesso
>>> >> > dovrebbe essere libero, se non è il caso fammelo sapere avrò
>>> >> > sbagliato
>>> >> > la
>>> >> > configurazione.
>>> >>
>>> >> [They dropped their contract with France and forked OpenBoard. Links
>>> >> to the repos follow]
>>> >>
>>> >> Yep, I downloaded all of them, thanks for sharing!
>>> >>
>>> >> > Per quanto riguarda Open-Sankoré. Lo sviluppo è stato ripreso dai
>>> >> > CNDP
>>> >> > (centro di formazione nazionale francese). Sebbene niente si muova
>>> >> > su
>>> >> > git
>>> >> > due nuove versioni sono uscite negli ultimi mesi. Purtroppo non
>>> >> > posso
>>> >> > dirti
>>> >> > esattamente come viene gestita la messa a disposizione del codice
>>> >> > sorgente
>>> >> > ma mi sembra che facciano dei commit su una diramazione differente
>>> >> > da
>>> >> > quella
>>> >> > principale (master), v2.3.0RC (se non sbaglio).
>>> >>
>>> >> [WRT sankorè, development continues under an other upstream. No
>>> >> commits to master anymore, but they released a couple new releases in
>>> >> the last months, probably they continue on the branch "v.2.3.0RC".]
>>> >>
>>> >> I see. Well, actually they keep releasing non-free stuff (like the
>>> >> fonts) there, so it is of small interests to us. I suppose we
>>> >> should/want to focus our efforts on OpenBoard only.
>>> >>
>>> >> > Nel nostro caso la diramazione che utilizzo di più è la diramazione
>>> >> > "develop", mentre "master" viene messa a giorno quando distribuiamo
>>> >> > una
>>> >> > versione.
>>> >>
>>> >> [Just to say that the "develop" branch is used for development,
>>> >> "master" is updated when OpenBoard is released.]
>>> >>
>>> >> Ok, good to know. I gave a deep look to
>>> >> OpenEducationFoundation/OpenBoard and I'm glad to see that all files
>>> >> in src/ have a valid header with copyright and license, and non-free
>>> >> fonts have been abandoned. This is so sweet.
>>> >>
>>> >> The only issues I found are in resources/library. Several files here
>>> >> and there have either no header or no copyright or no license, and
>>> >> this should be fixed ASAP, since this would make OpenBoard
>>> >> unreleasable by Debian. Further, I saw several minified .js files.
>>> >> Minifying is great to save space, but is considered non-free by
>>> >> Debian. Not a big issues though: if you are not willing to do so, we
>>> >> can deminify them before uploading the source tarball, it's piece of
>>> >> cake.
>>> >>
>>> >> Further, I assume that all the images unders resources/ are made by
>>> >> you and are released under the same license of OpenBoard. If some of
>>> >> them are not, it should be noted somewhere. Same applies to
>>> >> resources/fonts/*.pfb.
>>> >>
>>> >> A few questions: do you plan to release a tarball soon? And with
>>> >> regard to OpenEducationFoundation/OpenBoard-ThirdParty: is it needed
>>> >> to build OpenBoard? I have seen no recent commits there.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you so much for your fast answer and for your dedication to make
>>> >> OpenBoard's code legally-perfect: it's such a shame when great
>>> >> software can't be delivered to our users just because some headers are
>>> >> missing.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >> Andrea.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Andrea Colangelo                      |   http://andreacolangelo.com
>>> >> Debian Developer <warp10@debian.org>  |   Ubuntu Developer
>>> >> <warp10@ubuntu.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrea Colangelo                      |   http://andreacolangelo.com
>>> Debian Developer <warp10@debian.org>  |   Ubuntu Developer
>>> <warp10@ubuntu.com>
>>
>>
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