Re: More on the future LDAP admin gui in Debian Edu
Hello Philipp,
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 01:19:01PM +0200, Philipp Huebner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 25/10/10 12:44, Klaus Knopper wrote:
> > Hey, what about you? You are an official DM, aren't you? ;-)
>
> There is quite a difference between DM and DD, I am the latter.
> But it doesn't matter here because I neither have the time nor the
> interest to integrate CipUX into Skolelinux.
Accepted. In knew you would say that. :-)
> > So, your statement is that only if the CipUX team would transfer all of
> > its development platforms to Skolelinux/Debian-alioth, it will happen
> > that CipUX is recognized as an official option for LDAP account
> > administration in Skolelinux? Is this really the procedure? I think not.
> >
> > Why can't Skolelinux instead check out from the official CipUX
> > repositories and Debian packages for testing? Was Jonas work on Debian
> > packages a waste of time?
>
> Sorry, it seems you have no understanding of Debian Edu's development
> process at all and thus misunderstood me completely.
Let's say, I understand the Debian Edu's development process in the
greater parts, but still questioning in order to get an approach for
improvement of my own understanding. ;-)
> A few simple facts:
> - the debian-edu-* packages are built from the SVN on alioth
Yes.
> - CD/DVD images are built from those packages, other files also from
> that SVN and the Debian archive
Yse.
> - by working there I didn't mean copy all your packages there, I meant
> to put your implementations there that pull in the cipux packages from
> Debian and set them up correctly
Yes. You again assume that developers of upstream will do all of this
automatically on their own. Actually, I was asking for help from the
Skolelinux community, for someone who is an expert in the process, and
can do quicker and more easily what upstream apparently has difficulties
with.
As for linbo, I'm one of the upstream developers, yet I'm uncertain how
to represent a 2 GB source building an operations system, as a single
Debian-Edu package via SVN.
> The last point has nothing to do with CipUX upstream development or
> packaging, those things are fine and can keep going the way they do.
Great, that surely makes it easier. But still the problem remains of who
will do the deed.
> >>> So, again, what is "integrating CipUX in Skolelinux" other than deciding
> >>> that existing installable packages are accepted and possibly modified in
> >>> their initial setup so that they fit in? How can we do this? Not only
> >>> for CipUX but also for italc and linbo (which are independent of CipUX)?
> >>
> >> => SVN on alioth
> >
> > Sorry, I don't think you can demand from all Free Software projects to
> > exclusively work on the Debia-Edu SVN in order to get recognized at all.
>
> That's not what I said. I said the SVN is where Debian Edu is made, the
> point for _integrating_ additional software.
>
> I don't see how you could understand me that wrong. Following your
> assumption, Debian Edu would need to have a copy of the complete Debian
> Archive in that SVN repository.
Actually, the GPL demands to copy the complete source when a derivate is
made, of all dependencies incolved. For Knoppix, I need to keep about 3
GB of sources for each DVD I release, even that 99% are pure and
unchanged Debian packages. I had a discussion with the FSF about this,
and it seems tobe necessary to really provide the complete source when
you release binaries, ponting to upstream is no enough. Well, off-topic
now.
My real question was, how can we get someone who gets CipUX into
Skolelinux when none of the CipUX-Team managed to do this yet? Are there
volunteeres, or people who can do this as a paid job? I'm asking because
we did not find anyone yet. I don't feel qualified to do this by myself,
since I don't know enough about CipUX and its LDAP+Perl dependencies.
> Jürgen already pointed you to
> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Contribute/Development
Yes, that was indeed helpful, but does not cover the entire story.
> Although that page could use some polishing, it is still mostly correct.
Well, the page says it may be outdated, but that seems to be common
practice nowadays. ;-)
> And as a last reminder: this thread was and is only about "the future
> LDAP admin gui in Debian Edu" and thus CipUX. The other additional
> features of Skolelinux-RLP don't belong here.
Sorry, you are of course right, I will change the mail subject for the
other topics which are no less important to us than CipUX.
Regards
-Klaus
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