Bug#311188: debian-edu-config: Messes "programmatically" with conffiles of other packages
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On 31-05-2005 22:42, Finn-Arne Johansen wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
>>On 31-05-2005 14:53, Steve Langasek wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:00:24AM +0200, Finn-Arne Johansen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>I agree that debian-edu is a special case, but don't see your point in
>>>>>>>that being a good excuse for ignoring policy: Debian-edu-* packages are
>>>>>>>expected only to be useful in the Skolelinux Debian-derived
>>>>>>>distribution. It is a goal of debian-edu to be able to create Skolelinux
>>>>>>>solely from officially released Debian packages but that goal is not yet
>>>>>>>reached so a few more packages having to be added unofficially shouldn't
>>>>>>>be a big deal.
>>>>
>>>>>>What other packages does Skolelinux depend on for sarge that are not in
>>>>>>Debian?
>>>>
>>>>>ltsp
>>>>>j2re1.4
>
>
> Those are the only two that are not in Debian now.
The remaining packages are all "officially released Debian packages"?
Not true.
>>>>So, precisely one package not in Debian that is actually eligible for
>>>>inclusion in Debian. :)
>>
>>No. I believe what Finn-Arne mentions is well-known ones only, not a
>>complete list - judging from his own words recently on the issue of what
>>is actually based on Debian Sarge in the current snapshots aiming at
>>becoming next official Skolelinux release:
>>http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2005/05/msg00205.html
>
>
> Ah your talking about the packages that actually are in Debian sarge,
> but in a state were we cant use them, like the lessdisks-packages and
> the likes. Yes, Some package maintainers are just to lazy to get their
> work done.
Yes, I am primarily talking about packages that is not officially
released by Debian.
Also, it concerns me if Skolelinux takes packages "officially released
by Debian" but as single packages only and from a "testing" og
"unstable" package pool, hinting that the package has not yet been
tested well together with the other packages forming a "distribution".
In the case of the "lazily maintained" lessdisks you include a package
that is not packaged for Debian at all.
In the case of lessdisks I may not ever package 0.6.2c officially for
Debian, because of trouble upgrading between 0.n versions. So you may
end up with a Skolelinux/sarge that cannot seamlessly be upgraded to
Skolelinux/etch - but who cares...
There's more to packaging than a working _install_ process, Finn-Arne.
For the record: I am not pissed at my package getting "overruled" (but
yes, it _does_ piss me off being called lazy, so keep doing that if you
want to annoy me, Finn-Arne). I am concerned about the possible
consequenses of Skolelinux being promoted as "all Debian" when it is not
the case. And I believe it hurts Skolelinux developers that their
violating Debian Policy is treated lightly: They then believe the
problem is not serious.
Skolelinux developers believe their distro can be used as an "easier
install process" also for standard Debian. But use Skolelinux as Debian
installer, remove the debian-edu-* packages, and off you go (with
possible ticking bombs we then need to weed out whenever the bugreport
show up for all those packages being messed with in a policy-violating way).
Why it is bombs? Because the local admin "didn't do it" The "Debian
system" (actually: the Skolelinux hacked derivation of a Debian system,
but that's not how it is promoted) messed around with itself, and then
didn't preserve integrity later on (like if Skolelinux changed symlinks
and the package then later overwrites skolelinux derived files instead
of its own files).
>>I suspect the count to be higher than the above two plus the one
>>specifically discussed in the referenced debian-edu thread.
>
>
> The apt source that is used besides "official debian sarge", is
> http://ftp.skolelinux.no/skolelinux sarge local
>
>>From this, the folowing packages are included:
Thank you - this is exactly what I asked for in the debian-edu thread
referred to above.
- Jonas
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