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Re: New contributor experience



On 04/06/2025 13:28, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Ahmad Khalifa (2025-06-04 13:56:49)
On 04/06/2025 12:39, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote:
On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 12:24:15PM +0100, Ahmad Khalifa wrote:
Separately, may I also suggest some kind of timeout on the RFH bugs?
(oldest is about to turn 20 yo)

Why?
If the team no longer wants help, they should just close it.
If the package was orphaned since then, ideally it should be closed, sure.

Because they're misleading and waste contributor time.

Have you spent time going through a lot of the 50 RFH bugs?
They're full of spam and people being ignored.

I do, occationally, look through WNPP bugreports.

If you consider 1 hour old bugreports stale, then you are free to ignore
older ones - noone told you to "waste" time on them.

Please, when talking in absolutes (like they're misleading") then please
provide some more information on how you come to that conclusive
judgement on behalf of all thousands of Debian contributors.

Alternatively (because that might indeed be a waste of time), please
consider framing personal opinions as such, not as absolutes.  Reason
I encourage you to do that is that I want to discuss with you, and I
find it easier to discuss when the conversation is easy to separate
opinion from fact.

Everything I say is my opinion. I have no formal role here.
The top message is only a polite suggestion.

Consider this random new contributor's experience:

1. Go to https://www.debian.org/, click on "Get Involved, Contribute"
2. Read https://www.debian.org/devel/join/, points you to "WNPP"
3. Go to https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/, browse the page
   - At that point, you might not know what is adoption and orphans.
   - Easiest thing to dip your toes in: "packages in need of help".
4. Go to the RFH page, https://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/help_requested
5. Browse interesting bugs:
   - Read the spam messages, maybe click on "this bug has spam"
     (which I feel is a placebo)
- Look at other comments and interactions, no closed loop, no conclusions
   - Realize the bug is several years old
   - Decide that it's beyond a newcomer's ability and move on

Of course, this is my opinion, but it's debian's primary journey from the homepage.

--
Regards,
Ahmad


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