Re: Is it worth spending more time on adduser?
On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 11:04:25 -0300, Antonio Terceiro
<terceiro@debian.org> wrote:
>On Sun, Apr 27, 2025 at 02:18:11PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> That leaves no space for adduser between useradd and sysusers. At
>> least not enouch space to waste any more life time on it.
>
>From how you write, I have the impression that you might be frustrated,
Totally.
This is one more example of Debian lacking technical leadership, with
small groups taking technical decisions for the entire distribution
without even mentioning. Most of those technical decisions are sound
and supportable, but there are technical decisions that have impact on
other packages, and it is bad that those packages learn about it after
spending weeks or even months of spare time without knowing that this
work is going to go down the drain.
Heck, I remember how I (back then, being one of the two main
maintainers of the exim4 packages) noticed that exim4 became the
default MTA. It was like, "Oh, we're Debian's default now. Well, it
would be nice if we didn't learn that from the Packages.gz file!"
I am pretty sure that we won't be contacted when the (long overdue)
switch to postfix will happen.
I am not going to list all the things that should have been discussed
before going into implementation, but for sure the idea of an "empty
/etc" goes against most of my expectations of what I'd like my system
to have. We have the superior conffile handling mechanism, with dpkg
and ucf, for 20 years. While even that mechanism leaves a lot to be
desired, why don't we just finish those tools instead of moving away
from them? Why do we reduce ourselves by using the crutches that other
distributions HAVE to use to reduce the pain caused by their inferior
(or not existend) conffile handling?
I fully do understand that it would be nice to have an empty /etc in a
container, but I'd hate that in the majority of MY fleet. When did we
decide that we will go for empty /etc?
Greetings
Marc
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