[Date Prev][Date Next] [Thread Prev][Thread Next] [Date Index] [Thread Index]

Re: Why are cinnamon-core and cinnamon-desktop-environment still in version 6.2?

Il 08/02/2025 15:18, Andrew M.A. Cater ha scritto:

On Wed, Feb 05, 2025 at 12:44:31PM +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote:

Il 05/02/2025 12:19, kindusmith ha scritto:

In Debian 13, all components of cinnamon have been upgraded to 6.4 or
above, but cinnamon-core and cinnamon-desktop-environment are still
lower versions of 6.2


Hi, I haven't made the new version of those metapackages yet because at the
moment it would only be a version bump of the cinnamon components, I should
first do some tests of clean installations to check if it is necessary to
modify other parts.


Cinnamon comes originally from Linux Mate and Clement Lefebrvre -
maybe follow what they package as their desktop as a basis for the
full desktop metapackage if you haven't before??
Hi, Mint created more fork or other software not packages for Debian, not enough time for maintain also them and some unfortunately they don't have enough people and time to maintain them well upstream so I don't think it's good to add them. 


For now I know that I should remove vino from the recommended ones but I
don't know exactly which remote access system would be best to replace it
with.

gnome-remote-desktop would be good, but unfortunately it has parts tied to
gnome, x2goserver which is now an alternative to vino seems to me to be
poorly supported (from a quick look, I could be wrong) and if I remember
correctly it is active by default at installation so it might not be a great
choice, regarding xrdp and others I had tried something many years ago, but
I am not up to date.


Ideally, yes, don't pull in masses of GNOME. It does seem that a lot of
people rely on Cinnamon at least partly because it's lighter weight and
needs fewer resources. if you can make cinnamon more self contained, that
might be a lot better. [Several of the Debian desktop metapackages need
cleaning up IMHO - don't feel bad that this is being asked of you.]
Sporadically I take a look and see if there are any improvements to the metapackages, unfortunately it happens quite rarely, especially the tests on multiple combinations (only core or complete with or without recommended etc...) but unfortunately it can take a long time for example the ubuntu ones of which some packages are different so much that before 24.04 I didn't have time for good tests (which I did before the lts versions of ubuntu) and unfortunately the default installation from the cinnamon metapackages doesn't seem good to me (then there is also the increase in the use of snaps which "worsens" some things or even just makes them heavier, but that's another thing) 

If there are any suggestions for improvement they are welcome.




Does anyone have any advice on this?


I'd suggest RDP in some form: Microsoft seem to be going this way
for suggested interaction with WSL and Red Hat have dropped VNC
because it doesn't work well with Wayland.

If people really want VNC, then TigerVNC is there in Debian for
all architectures.

Hope this helps,

All the very best, as ever,
I would also prefer rdp (instead vnc) and gnome-remote-desktop it seems good but unfortunately in some parts it is strictly tied to gnome components and there is currently no one working on a fork tied to cinnamon components.
There is xrdp although not very good from a quick test and put only as a further alternative.
There is rustdesk that seems interesting but is not in the repository (there is only an RFP).
For now I replaced vino with x11vnc, not very good from a fast test but better the vino.Then when something better is found (and preferably also with wayland support) I will replace it.
Tigervnc if I remember correctly, when I tried it years ago it wasn't bad, but I don't think it has a simple enough configuration for beginners (something was changed or added?), so I haven't tried it again, since for the metapackage I'm looking for something simple and fast that's also good for beginners.
Anyway I didn't have time to do a thorough research and testing of all the software, I just did a quick search and a quick test of some software before doing cinnamon-desktop-environment 6.4.0, so if you have more experience with remote access programs (present in the repository) feel free to recommend them and I will consider them for further improvements. 



Andrew Cater
(amacater@debian.org)

Attachment: OpenPGP_signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Reply to: