Re: proposal: Hybrid network stack for Trixie
* Marc Haber <mh+debian-devel@zugschlus.de> [240922 13:08]:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:22:50 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler
> <zeha@debian.org> wrote:
> >The "server" group supposedly wants (and I agree) networkd,
> >but they also want the configuration interface of networkd.
>
> Ack. I'd love networkd to have some more robustness features, but
> netplan doesnt add anything here.
>
> >The "laptop" group supposedly wants (and I agree) NetworkManager,
> >but they also want the configuration interface of NetworkManager.
>
> nack. I truly despise the configuration interface of NetworkManager,
> and I have never fully understood it. I still have NetworkManager on
> my notebooks because it interfaces nicely with the clickable frontends
> in the desktop environment.
TBH the "interfaces nicely with the clickable frontends" part is
what I meant here. I don't know if anyone likes nm-cli. When I use
NetworkManager on a desktop or laptop, then it is through one of the
GUI frontends. I assume this is what people want.
> Will I continue to have that luxury if we have netplan above n-m?
Very good question.
As far as I understood Lukas' mail, then at least currently not, as
NM in Debian doesn't come with patches to support two-way
configuration with netplan. I would understand if the NetworkManager
maintainers in Debian don't want to apply them as a Debian patch;
without having looked at the patches, the whole objective sounds
like the patches would be quite intrusive.
> I am all for d-i pre-choosing sane defaults for workstation/notebook
> setups. The server people are likely to use the expert install, have
> preseeded installs or their completely own installation methods.
As pointed out by Simon, this is already done depending on the
desktop selection. Which I didn't know, but sounds like the sane
thing to do!
Chris
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