On Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:26:40 PM EST Sam Hartman wrote: > >>>>> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> writes: > Wouter> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 03:45:47PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > >> http://www.islinuxaboutchoice.com/ > > Wouter> > https://grep.be/blog/en/computer/cluebat/Systemd__Devuan__and_Debian/ > > Wouter> -- To the thief who stole my anti-depressants: I hope you're > Wouter> happy > > Hi. We've received a lot of feedback about the negative costs of long > threads here. > I think that some aspects of the discussion were necessary and > inevitable. > It sounds like the discussion has helped some people understand why a GR > might be a good idea. > It has helped me sanity check whether I was including issues important > to the project. > > I think that we'll need to discuss a few other things once again when > draft GR text comes out (although that will be on debian-vote). > > But as someone charged with helping try to facilitate discussions within > the project, I think this particular set of related threads have reached > the point of diminishing returns on debian-devel for now. > If there's some last message you absolutely have to send, get that *one > last message* out of your system. > But let's be almost done, out of respect for everyone who has had this > discussion before and out of the many people who have talked about the > costs of relatively long threads like this. > > Thanks for considering, Personally, I've no idea what enough is since I'm still seriously concerned this secret GR will make a bad situation worse. Wouter's last email really struck a chord with me. It's possible for us to have a reasonable init system thread on debian-devel, but this isn't way to do it. I felt like the discussion that ensued from me asking about the utility of sysv init scripts in docker instances was very helpful and I learned some things without there being too much stress of flames being thrown. Personally, I think your GR is highly unlikely to make things better. I hope I'm wrong, but even before it's been published, I feel like it's already caused people to become more firmly entrenched in their existing positions. Scott K
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