Re: dgit advocacy again (Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format)
Hi Ian,
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 01:49:13PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> ...
> dgit push-source is slightly more convenient than the dput based
> system and it catches slightly more errors and does slightly more
> automatically. But, it is a fairly minor benefit *to the maintainer*.
>
> As I say, the main advantage is for users and downstreams and certain
> kinds of NMU campaigns. Mainly, you would help people other than you.
>
> It is IMO quite easy to persuade users and downstreams of the value of
> dgit clone. For the target audience it is simply a massive
> improvement over all previous tools. Even if the maintainer didn't
> use dgit push, so "git log" and so on give poor results.
>
> The main difficulty now with getting dgit push adopted is that
> maintainers don't see the benefit *to themselves* and it is always
> harder to get someone to see a benefit *to someone else*.
>
> Especially, it can be hard to convince people of the reality of a
> benefit to someone else, which they perhaps ought to provide, if it
> would involve them having to change the way they do things...
>
> Anyway, I'm very happy to talk to you (or anyone) about your own
> situation in detail IRL, and also open to hearing from anyone who has
> good ideas about addressing this adoption problem.
I think I'm becoming a more and more clear image of the principle (not
of the actual usage). In my special case of really low popcon packages
mostly in sciences I'm not yet convinced that it is really relevant for
any downstreams - but well, may be you just pretend to be some
downstream and demonstrate that point of view.
> > > I have said before that I think using "dgit push" (where possible) is
> > > an ethical imperative. (I should clarify that I *don't* mean that
> > > people who aren't using "dgit push" yet are bad people. Life is so
> > > full of ethical imperatives that no real human could meet them all,
> > > and of course Debian's right to call on volunteer effort is limited.)
> >
> > Question: I'm eating less and less meat (not real vegetarian but with a
> > very positiv feeling that this might be an ethical imperative as well).
> > Which ethical imperative would you consider stronger: Becoming
> > vegetarian or using dgit? ;-)
>
> I left this one to the end :-).
>
> That is an interesting question. I doubt it is really possible to
> compare things in that way.
Sure. I tried to express this with the smiley. ;_)
> But certainly reading articles about
> accelerating deforestation (and attacks on indigenous land rights
> etc.) makes me think that I will try to avoid eating much Brazilian
> beef.
Anyway, I'm deeply impressed by your decision to spare one flight and
rather take the bus from Rio to Curitiba. So I think one or two pieces
of beef are fine for this.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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