Re: dgit advocacy again (Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format)
Hi Ian,
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:41:34AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Sorry about this, but I really wanted to reply to this because I think
> it is a common misconception. I hope people who are tired of this
> subject can tell their program to delete messages with `dgit advocacy'
> in the subject...
On the contrary. I honestly love to read those mails since I have the
gut feeling that there is a chance that I might miss a chance to enhance
my productivity by not using dgit. I can ensure you that I do not read
every single message on debian-devel@l.d.o but dgit messages are clearly
in my focus.
> Andreas Tille writes ("Re: Survey results: git packaging practices / repository format"):
> > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 12:49:05PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > > My table is supposed to be useable without knowing anything about
> > > dgit.
> >
> > That's the case for me. I need to admit that I did not used dgit. The
> > reason is that I'm working in teams who all have Git repositories on
> > Salsa that more or less are following what was described in the Perl
> > team policy. I live under the impression that dgit is a tool that I do
> > not need in this case - thus I did not spent any time to learn it.
>
> People like you are precisely the intended users of "dgit push --gbp".
>
> I think if you used it you would help Debian users and contributors.
> (You would slightly improve your own life too, but maybe not by enough
> to be worth the bother of learning a new tool.)
May be we should sit down next to each other at DebConf for one hour and
you watch my workflow and tell me what can be enhanced by dgit.
> As https://wiki.debian.org/DgitFAQ has it
>
> | Q: Why should I bother to learn how to use dgit?
> |
> | If you incorporate dgit push-source into your workflow, then you
> | will be providing your git history to Debian's users and
> | downstreams in a way that is more useful to them than adding a
> | Vcs-Git header.
> ...
> | There are also minor conveniences for maintainers ...
Sorry, but I do not understand this: I'm extremely picky about Vcs-Git
headers (since some Blends tools are using these).
> I have said before that I think using "dgit push" (where possible) is
> an ethical imperative. (I should clarify that I *don't* mean that
> people who aren't using "dgit push" yet are bad people. Life is so
> full of ethical imperatives that no real human could meet them all,
> and of course Debian's right to call on volunteer effort is limited.)
Question: I'm eating less and less meat (not real vegetarian but with a
very positiv feeling that this might be an ethical imperative as well).
Which ethical imperative would you consider stronger: Becoming
vegetarian or using dgit? ;-)
> Obviously that is a very strong statement. It was quite controversial
> last time. But, I stand by it and am prepared to defend it using
> reasoned argument. Maybe by private email would be best to avoid
> boring everyone else.
As long as nobody insists that you stay silent on the list please
keep on posting.
> Anyway, I would certainly appreciate it if you would read the FAQ.
I've read the FAQ (once, not recently) and was not convinced. As I said
I think sitting down next to you at DebConf might be the best way to
learn the advantages.
Kind regards and thanks a lot for your patience
Andreas.
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