Hi Sam, Am 03.06.19 um 13:29 schrieb Sam Hartman:
1) You're asking all DDs to use this infrastructure you set up.
Currently everybody routes inbound mail via two Debian servers (as they are the only MXs for debian.org).
Everybody who needs to make sure they can reach @gmail.com / GApps users / Microsoft hosted Exchange etc. need to send via these, too, cf. my initial email.
People vote with their feet. We're not really overrun by new contributors. We shouldn't afford the arrogance of "it is your problem if my email doesn't reach your inbox". Esp. if we can do better.
That said, I don't care when DDs use their private domains for Debian stuff. I'd be all for continuing them to do so.
For things like fundraising officially looking email addresses are important. That's why I care to keep these functional. More DDs funded to travel to DebConf is a more happy me. I'm also sure many @debian.org -> random upstream messages are never received. Because random upstream is a Google / Microsoft / Yahoo user or runs an email server with a strict anti-spam policy. We just had that case with the cfp@ email of our Hamburg Mini-DebConf rejecting @debian.org email because of "forged recipients" and bad IP reputation scores. QQ (Tencent) refused emails from Salsa. This is the biggest email hoster in China. I'd like more Chinese to be able to participate in Debian. I have many such examples.
Hence I'd like us to offer email services to project members. That's an offer. Not a requirement. If DDs use the Debian infra or continue using their current setup, all fine for me. Yes, a proper SPF record may make things more difficult for people that run their own. But I - for example - run my own and route via Debian MX (just the Debian mail of course). So it can be done. I just wish not every DD had to, if they wouldn't want to. And possibly end up using GMail and make Jonathan and many Free as in Freedom advocates unhappy.
2) I'm not really sure I want the debian machines to get a copy of all mail I send from my debian.org address.
In case anybody replies to your email, these machines get the gist of your communication anyways. And you send via AWS (Amazon). I personally trust DSA more.
To me emails are postcards. Everybody along the transport chain may enjoy the pictures. Of course I can sign or encrypt if I want the pictures to stay genuine or the back side text private.
There is currently a trend in the FLOSS ecosystem to try migrating off irc, email and email lists towards Discourse, Gitlab, Mattermost and other web based tools. I'm not a fan of that at all (siloing). But one of the reasons is lowering the technical entry barrier to participation. We should give at least the project members everything they need as readily available as possible. And email is really basic.
Kind regards, Daniel