On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 02:29:40AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 05/15/2013 02:16 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: > >Am 15.05.2013 01:26, schrieb brian m. carlson: > >>On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 10:08:21PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > >>>This is utter bullshit and you should already know it. Systemd is much > >>>more reliable as a whole than any other implementation. I have yet to > >>>see a use case where it is not better. > >> > >>It is not better if you don't want proprietary binary-format logs in > > > >The format may be binary, but it certainly is not proprietary [1] > > I really can't believe people are still coming up with that non-sense. Maybe because I read it on LWN (http://lwn.net/Articles/468381/): All complaints about UUIDs were quickly overshadowed by another issue once the full proposal was posted: one might charitably say that there is not, yet, a consensus around the proposed new logfile format. In a sense, that is unsurprising, since that format is deliberately undocumented and explicitly subject to change at any time. You'll pardon me if I believe that LWN is a reputable source for information. > I have no idea why people assume that a binary format means it can only > be processed with a special, proprietary tool. Binary simply means what > it means, binary and not text which means it's a more stream-lined and > machine-readable format as opposed to a text format with no formatting > at all. It means that it works completely differently from every existing Unix log parser on the planet. syslog is hardly "no formatting at all". > And, when it comes to processing, binary data is actually *easier* to > process. Everyone who has ever written a text parser themselves will > agree. I have written several, and I still prefer plain text. I want to use the same tools to parse my logs that I have used for years, like logcheck. Text files is the Unix way. -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187
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