Hi John, very well said, thanks. I suggest everyone to go back and read his mail. http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1483 is also a nice read about what working together nicely can achieve. I miss that in Debian. I have now decided to unsubscribe from -vote and -devel, the gain/pain ratio has become totally unacceptable for me. I guess -project will follow soon. cheers, Holger
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