Oh, I forgot to mention that if Ubuntu continues to ignore Ian Murdock's warnings about breaking compatability with debs, it will end up a fork in my book even if most of the underlying code is substantially the same, and this will be a very painful and damaging kind of fork too, as we will get deb dependency hell. Ignoring, flaming, and pooh-poohing Ian on this, which is all the response I've seen so far, is not smart. :-/ -- see shy jo
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