On Mon, 2004-12-06 at 01:49 +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 08:33:54PM -0500, Josh Metzler wrote: > > On Sunday 05 December 2004 08:25 pm, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 12:21:04PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > > On 05-Dec-04, 09:07 (CST), Andrew Suffield <asuffield@debian.org> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 08:45:56AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > > > > On 05-Dec-04, 04:55 (CST), James Foster <jamesfoster@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > There's no excuse for censorship, ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay everybody, repeat after me: Choosing not to distribute a given > > > > > > package is NOT censorship. > > > > > > > > > > And telling somebody else that they can't distribute a given package > > > > > IS censorship. > > > > > > > > I haven't told anyone that they can't distribute it. We, Debian, can > > > > choose not to distribute certain materials w/o it being censorship. > > > > > > You say it as if the whole project was in agreement about something. > > > > > > What is actually happening here is that one individual Debian > > > developer is choosing to distribute a given package, and some other > > > developers are trying to stop them. That's censorship. Even if they > > > don't have the authority to do it (that just makes it ineffective > > > censorship). > > > > Actually, the developer is choosing to have Debian distribute a package, and > > others are trying to stop Debian from distributing the package. > > Word games. Censorship is when a citizen of one body chooses to have > that body distribute something (by being a citizen and distributing > it), and another citizen tries to stop them. Gah! Book publishers do not publish every manuscript that is sent to them. Movie studios do not fund every screenplay sent to them. Libraries, as has been mentioned before, don't buy every book. Such choices are made *all the time*. It's the difference between "editing" and "censoring". In The West, at least, the author can *still* write whatever he/she wants, and get it "out there", even if a document is rejected by The Big Firms. Small and vanity publishing firms will print most anything, for a price. For those things they *don't* print, a photocopier, or, of course, the internet will still let you get out what you want. Why can't you understand that? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. "Python is executable pseudocode; Perl is executable line noise"
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